Discuss The Expanse Episode 2: Azure Dragon

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Discuss The Expanse Episode 2. This week Danny and Nick give Clarissa her flowers for a job well done, Nick makes a prediction about Star Helix, and Danny anticipates what our Belter revolutionary aka “The Knife in the Darkness” will do next!

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Episode Transcript

00:00:05:02 – 00:00:15:14
Unknown
What’s up, everybody, welcome back to discuss The Expanse, this show where we’re going to be discussing season six, episode two, The Expanse, my name is Nick. As always, I’m joined by my co-host Danny. How are you doing today, man?

00:00:16:06 – 00:00:27:14
Unknown
Doing great, man, I definitely am having a good time with the season so far, so I’m excited to talk about this episode with you. Absolutely. Well, guys, we’re definitely going to dove into it here before we do, I just want to let you guys know a framework for the podcast.

00:00:27:15 – 00:00:41:03
Unknown
We start off by going over our general thoughts on the episode where we think it ranks with the other episodes and kind of give our general feelings there. Then we dove into a scene by scene recap of the episode where we go scene by scene and discuss more in depth about specific details and stuff that happened in

00:00:41:03 – 00:00:56:22
Unknown
the episode as well. And then lastly, we go into predictions hot takes any kind of big, bold stuff that we want to talk about going into the season for going forward into the season here, first of all. What was the title director and episode writer for season six?

00:00:56:22 – 00:01:13:25
Unknown
Episode 2602 is titled Azure Dragon. It was directed by Jeff Walnut, and it was actually written by Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck, the creators of The Expanse, who write under the James S.A. Corey name. So it’s solid, solid work all around.

00:01:13:27 – 00:01:27:09
Unknown
Awesome. And we did. I did want to address something that we brought up in last podcast, which is we were asking where bull is right? We were like, Where’s bull? We haven’t seen bull or anything like that. What was really cool is I kind of tweeted that out on at the Discuss Pod, if you guys want to

00:01:27:09 – 00:01:41:20
Unknown
follow there. But I tweeted that out and James, that’s where he actually retweeted it and said Tycho station question mark. So he thinks maybe he potentially running Tycho Station or something along those lines. I think it’s funny when the when the author that manifested all of the stuff in his head puts a question mark next to his

00:01:41:21 – 00:01:59:23
Unknown
theory. I just think that’s that’s pretty hilarious. But yeah, he thinks he might be running Tycho. And yeah, that’s definitely a possibility, obviously. And or if he’s suggesting that, then that would be the case. But it seemed odd to me just because in the last episode, they showed Tycho being under free navy control.

00:01:59:23 – 00:02:19:21
Unknown
So I feel like for that to be the case, maybe Bull must have maybe capitulated to the free navy in some some form or he’s taken over or he’s he’s maybe feigning capitulation and just kind of like going to going to try to beat them from the inside out, you know, potentially that for Bull.

00:02:19:24 – 00:02:35:19
Unknown
Maybe he’s acting, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that would be really interesting for Bull to especially considering his prejudice to be under a situation where the Free Navy has power. I’d be interesting. Yeah. And there’s also a possibility that we don’t see Bull this season.

00:02:35:19 – 00:02:47:14
Unknown
There’s also a possibility that maybe, you know, and we’re going to talk about this once we start and see the overview. But the six episodes in the season, so guys, we’re already a third of the way through which it seems like it’s going so quickly.

00:02:48:12 – 00:02:58:29
Unknown
But it’s possible that given the given the small amount of time they had left to close the story out, that maybe he just didn’t make the, you know, they didn’t have have time to kind of add in his his character into this last season, too.

00:02:59:00 – 00:03:08:15
Unknown
So that’s also a possibility as well, but without wasting any more time. Danny, what were your thoughts on season six, episode two as your dragon and how do you think it stacks up with the first episode of the season?

00:03:09:08 – 00:03:31:28
Unknown
So I’ll start off and say, I definitely think it is a stronger episode than season one or an episode one for me. I really enjoyed most of the plots in there. I was surprised by some of the stuff that came back this soon, and I appreciated the story that I appreciated the most was probably the little some

00:03:31:28 – 00:03:43:19
Unknown
story with Clarissa feeling part of the crew. That was probably my favorite little element of the episode, but overall, I enjoy it more than in episode one. How about you? Yeah, I think I would put it above episode one.

00:03:43:19 – 00:03:54:17
Unknown
I think this one was a little more fast paced, a little more felt. It felt a little. I felt a lot more get up and go in this episode. As far as as far as things happening, that awesome.

00:03:54:28 – 00:04:04:19
Unknown
You know, we’re going to talk about the awesome sequence with the Azure Dragon and the Raza Nancy and that whole sequence that was really, really well done and really fun. So, yeah, I would I would put it above episode one here.

00:04:05:04 – 00:04:22:17
Unknown
Really, really strong episode in this one here, but we’re going to go ahead and dove in to the scene by scene recap. The episode actually opens with Kara, I think is her name, the little girl on Laconia, and she is picking up right where we left off in the last episode, where she’s seen that there’s a a

00:04:22:19 – 00:04:35:26
Unknown
dying bird alien for lack of a better term, and she’s rushing to kind of give it first aid or trying to help help that there. So she’s running back to her home. It looks like they have a little settlement where her family lives.

00:04:35:27 – 00:04:46:29
Unknown
It looks like she has a younger brother and her mother and father there. We get the information that she fed the bird like a small amount of a protein bar, and it seems like that does not agree with it, which is an understatement.

00:04:47:15 – 00:04:59:19
Unknown
Very toxic to them. And then the mother explains to her that because there of maybe from a different like biochemistry or something like that, they can’t they can’t eat the food on Laconia and Laconia can’t eat the food that they eat as well.

00:04:59:19 – 00:05:14:29
Unknown
They they just don’t agree with each other. They. And then we get a kind of off screen speech or offscreen talk where they get a call and they have to go to some meeting, and I hear the parents say we don’t have anything to do with what they are building in the sky.

00:05:15:18 – 00:05:34:28
Unknown
And apparently, the soldiers call the meeting. So what I’m deducing from this is there’s kind of like maybe military operation that’s that’s handling the stuff in the sky and they’re more like in a settlement scientific vein. And they don’t really have much to do with what is going on with the the the overarching protocol molecule kind of

00:05:35:11 – 00:05:52:05
Unknown
arc that’s happening on the Konia there. What were your thoughts in this scene from when she brings it to them? They discuss about the biochemistry stuff and they’re not clicking there to when she she decides to kind of grab a drone and go, go back to the nest and stuff.

00:05:52:06 – 00:06:01:23
Unknown
What were your thoughts on this whole kind of Laconia scene from start to finish? So this was this is what I was referring to earlier when I said I was not expecting to go back to this story as quickly as we did.

00:06:02:24 – 00:06:17:19
Unknown
I was expecting this to be one of those things where maybe we get a flash forward at the end of the season and this is, you know, a settlement that that we follow at that time. And so coming back to it so quickly was interesting.

00:06:18:00 – 00:06:32:11
Unknown
I like the I like the whole strange dog and how it responded to the bird after she ended up coming back. I like that little scene because it kind of show that, hey, like, this thing is cute, but it’s it’s got a little bite to it.

00:06:33:22 – 00:06:51:10
Unknown
And I do like and I agree with you when it comes to the idea of, there’s kind of like this more scientific colonization as well as the militaristic. And I’m curious to see if we’re going to see more division among that and whether or not it’s going to become a relevant plot point because right now, it’s just

00:06:51:10 – 00:07:07:03
Unknown
kind of happening in the background, right? And I’m I’m curious to see why are we following this little girl in particular? Why is it important to set up that, hey, this is a completely different biochemistry there? Their origins may be different.

00:07:07:03 – 00:07:18:04
Unknown
Like, yes, we can breathe their air, but if these materials are toxic to the point where we have to grow our own food, what does that mean? What does that entail? Why are we learning this information now? How is that relevant?

00:07:18:15 – 00:07:30:18
Unknown
So these are these are the kind of questions that I had when I walked away from it, but it was an exciting continuation because it was unexpected for me. Yeah, I kind of echo those points, too. I did not expect to come back to Laconia so quickly in episode two.

00:07:30:18 – 00:07:41:09
Unknown
Like you said, I thought it was going to be something where it was a season opener and then it was like kind of going to book in the season and kind of be like a season ender with that kind of maybe led into something we’ve already discussed that we think there’s probably going to be some other stuff

00:07:41:29 – 00:07:54:22
Unknown
after this and some vein how I’m kind of curious as to how you feel about that. How do you feel about coming back to Laconia? Because I feel bittersweet to me because I do have those questions like you do.

00:07:54:22 – 00:08:09:15
Unknown
I kind of want to see how they resolve those different questions about about Laconia. But at the same time, I realize like we’re a third of the way through this season and there’s there’s only so many minutes that can be devoted in this season, especially if they’re claiming this is like the final season.

00:08:09:15 – 00:08:26:14
Unknown
You know, this is like the the wrap up season here, and it’s like the more minutes we get on Laconia because this is a pretty long sequence. I remember thinking, like, I mean, obviously you have a lot of trust in Ty and Dan and stuff like that, but it’s it’s it’s like hopefully the the the payoff for

00:08:26:14 – 00:08:39:23
Unknown
devoting this much time in the final season to this sequence kind of comes later, later on. But I did kind of have like a bittersweet feeling about it where I’m like, I kind of want to get more of the characters we love, you know, to kind of wrap their stuff up.

00:08:39:24 – 00:08:58:12
Unknown
Did you feel that? Did you feel that too or like, are you? Are you concerned at all about the amount of time being spent there? What I’m coming to imagine, and I think I might say this on the last pod is that I don’t think we’re going to see the resolution of the protein molecule storyline.

00:08:58:23 – 00:09:19:01
Unknown
And I think I think season six is going to primarily take care of the Marco enahoro situation and resolve things with Philip, probably. And so I’m kind of going into the season with that mentality. And so the idea of the male Laconia and having that ship that we know had some kind of protein molecule situation from the

00:09:19:01 – 00:09:33:03
Unknown
season five finale, that’s kind of got me like, All right, so what is the purpose of this is how we’re going as opposed to like, Oh, we’re going to lose time. I’m like, OK, so they’re kind of handling the protein molecule thing.

00:09:33:27 – 00:09:56:10
Unknown
But if this is the way that they’re doing it, why like what is this actually setting? What is the payoff that we’re getting from this? And so it’s it’s got me, I’ll say, cautiously optimistic. It’s come out with only because I feel like the last three seasons have built to mark O’Mara as being the final guy.

00:09:56:10 – 00:10:15:08
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. My my other question to you about that scene was, I’m wondering if the dog or the strange dog, I guess we call it a dog. I’m wondering if it’s like if it’s poison now, right? So like she gives this protein bar to this small bird and the small bird dies pretty quickly from when she gives

00:10:15:08 – 00:10:26:29
Unknown
it to her. Like, it seems very toxic to her. And then the dog eats the bird. It seems like it could. You know what I mean? So I’m wondering if, like the dog is potentially either. I don’t know if it’s going to kill it, but it might.

00:10:26:29 – 00:10:37:12
Unknown
I don’t know. It might be like some somehow poisoned or toxic. Maybe she’s maybe that’s going to be the story she’s going to have to kind of nurse it or something, you know, something along those lines. But I did kind of wonder that as well.

00:10:38:00 – 00:10:52:11
Unknown
It goes to the next scene where we’re back on the Ross and Nancy. They’re resupplying with the U.N. supply ship. They go up and Holden gets a call come from the U.N. supply ship, saying your mission specialist is aborting.

00:10:52:11 – 00:11:04:12
Unknown
She’s going to be boarding on there and he’s like mission specialist. And then she goes, they say it’s straight from the U.N. from Avasarala. So obviously, we all know at this point who that is. And it was really cool.

00:11:04:24 – 00:11:19:19
Unknown
We finally get to see Roberta Draper aboard the Ross and Nancy. I think that’s something everyone’s been kind of waiting for is seeing her interacting with the crew there. She comes in and and boards the ship and starts to kind of, you know, starts to break down to hold in what’s going on.

00:11:19:20 – 00:11:32:13
Unknown
What did you think of her introduction finally coming onto the Ross and onto and everything? And then if you want to go into a little detail about the plan that she has and kind of speak on that with that, they go over with Amos and the entire crew.

00:11:33:11 – 00:11:55:22
Unknown
Yeah, for sure. So I love Bobby because she is one of many very solid women characters on the show. And since her introduction as that Jarhead in season two, I’ve loved her. And so when she gets to interact with Holden as she kind of brings that whole like, tough, gruff armor, badass sort of situation.

00:11:56:08 – 00:12:13:10
Unknown
I love seeing them interact, and I also really liked that Holden had Clarissa kind of go into hiding a little bit until they figured out a little bit more. And for Clarissa to be a little bit of a sticky point for them, I thought were good natural kind of drama.

00:12:13:21 – 00:12:27:25
Unknown
And so when Bobby comes in and she’s talking about like, Hey, this is what we want to do, we want to capture this. I like the conflict because Avasarala wants to use this for a political sort of situation.

00:12:28:05 – 00:12:50:19
Unknown
And Bobby is is all about that and furthering that plan, whereas Holden is like, we’re here to just wreck stuff like like, we got to take them up. And so that that clash and Bobby basically pulling rank is is good because it challenges Holden and challenges everyone and lets them know, like if we want to win this

00:12:50:19 – 00:13:01:21
Unknown
war, we’re going to have to be on the same page. And and right now on the mission captain, and that is the page that we need to be on. So it was a good drama for me. I like to see.

00:13:01:23 – 00:13:11:29
Unknown
What do you think? Yeah, I like the I like the whole sequence with her finally boarding. It was really cool seeing them there. I really like the dynamic between Bobby and Amos. You know, and we’ll talk about it, some of it later in the episode as well.

00:13:11:29 – 00:13:26:04
Unknown
But she is very kind of kind of dismissive of Amos or something, she says. Like, Don’t worry, your pretty little head. And she calls him. So I think peewee later in the half served as well. She’s kind of taken the reins in that in that dynamic so far, at least.

00:13:26:25 – 00:13:41:29
Unknown
So I thought that was fun. I really some notes I had about the scene. I really loved the the floating him floating down the stairs or floating down the ladder like that. I thought that was a really cool shot, as well as her, her suit kind of just floating behind her as she walks in and stuff everything

00:13:42:01 – 00:13:55:21
Unknown
. Like I said, everything is so well thought out there, but those are really cool. Surrounding world building moments when those when those are executed that well and they’re always ancillary, they’re not they’re not showcased in the in the scene, they’re always just kind of like, it’s just a natural thing.

00:13:56:11 – 00:14:10:09
Unknown
I also loved the so we get a little guy, a guy to be getting that’s helping them unload. That says they he’s delivering. He’s delivering Mickey munitions to a privateer in the belt. And he said, You know, isn’t it cool that we’re all in the same team now?

00:14:10:18 – 00:14:22:25
Unknown
So apparently, Earth and Mars now have a common enemy. So there’s a there’s a new dynamic between them. They’re kind of it’s kind of an end of that Cold War kind of feel between the two. But I like that little that little nugget that they put in there.

00:14:22:29 – 00:14:35:08
Unknown
So apparently obvious are all his big mission. We predicted, well, we didn’t predict, but we gave predictions on what we thought it was. Apparently her. Her big idea was instead of destroying this partnership, she wants to capture it.

00:14:35:17 – 00:14:47:29
Unknown
So she wants to capture this partnership and so that they can get access to the data where all the rocks are and stuff on there. So much more dangerous mission. And Bobby is kind of briefing Holden on that.

00:14:48:07 – 00:15:02:27
Unknown
There’s a there’s a conflict between the two where she’s she’s very much kind of this optimistic soldier for offer of a Sarala and the crew they just see, like I said, we said in the last episode, they just seem tired and they’re just like, I don’t, you know, we’re taking all these unnecessary risks.

00:15:03:26 – 00:15:16:28
Unknown
And there seems to be a kind of a an ideological or tonal difference between Bobby and the crew. So that kind of creates some conflict to where she’s kind of this soldier, you know, this very optimistic soldier and stuff as well.

00:15:18:06 – 00:15:32:10
Unknown
I did like the interaction with Clarissa. I think it was really well thought out. It’s like, Yeah, this this U.N. security person is going to board the ship. You need to make sure that you’re a convicted felon at your harboring is maybe not around or maybe being hidden behind.

00:15:32:10 – 00:15:45:02
Unknown
I think that was a smart, smart decision to add that in there. It just made natural sense. And I love that Amos kind of just when when she when she kind of talks smart to him or when he was frustrated leaving the conversation.

00:15:45:02 – 00:15:55:19
Unknown
He’s just like, Hey, by the way, we have a convicted felon in the in the hold here. Have fun with that. Hold it. Explain this to her, you know, and just kind of like bomb and walk away. Yeah, just kind of threw threw him under the bus.

00:15:56:11 – 00:16:15:20
Unknown
I thought that was fun. So then we get the opening credits and we go to series. So Phillip is in a holding cell after his antics in season one, where he he got drunk and shot out John, and he’s kind of sitting in a series cell.

00:16:15:20 – 00:16:31:23
Unknown
So I like the little OPay touches that they put in the cell to that that was that was good. And then Marco and I don’t know their name, but the character that’s kind of that was that was briefing Marco in the last episode about the supply ship things.

00:16:31:23 – 00:16:49:27
Unknown
I I get the feeling maybe they’re a there like a leader for Star Helix now, potentially on Syria. So like the police force there, they might be like a leader for that. They escorted Marco to some kind of bail Philip out and kind of get him out of his jail cell.

00:16:50:19 – 00:17:05:00
Unknown
And then as Philip leaves Marco and him talk, they have a kind of tense standoff where Marco is essentially telling Phillip he’s an embarrassment and he’s been. He’s been an embarrassment ever since he came on series, kind of berating him for his his actions and very disappointed in him.

00:17:05:10 – 00:17:20:28
Unknown
And what did you think of the scene from when they bail out and and Marco and Philip have that discussion? Also, the one note before for I headed it off to you as well is that he, he says, release Phillip and the star Helix commander says I can’t do that.

00:17:21:09 – 00:17:33:20
Unknown
And seems to push back a little on that before he finally pulls the I’m the free navy guy. You need to listen to what I have to say, what you think of that scene from start to finish. So I was very surprised to see Philip in jail.

00:17:34:25 – 00:17:59:01
Unknown
I didn’t. I didn’t expect him to have consequence in pretty much any way because like, like we had said, he’s kind of like the prince of this free navy, right? And so but to your point, the thing that I found engaging is Marco’s political savvy is that of a revolutionary instead of someone who has to live with

00:17:59:01 – 00:18:19:20
Unknown
the things that they’ve created or set in motion. And so when Marco at first is like, release it to my custody and he’s met with a little bit of pushback by by, I believe, the character name Nico. When, when that happens, I was like, OK, interesting.

00:18:19:28 – 00:18:40:28
Unknown
I see. He doesn’t have as much pull as he thought he did initially. And then when Marco really pushed it and is like, All right, I’m Marco Norris. At the end, Nico has no choice but to relent. I liked it because it shows that there there are kind of like levels to what people are willing to give

00:18:40:28 – 00:18:57:08
Unknown
in this government situation and kind of like what the other Sarala situation from. Earlier seasons, there’s going to be a point if he is leading this thing, where he’s going to have to start listening to other people, or he leans completely into being a dictator, which becomes the thing that he hates, right?

00:18:57:19 – 00:19:12:19
Unknown
And so then for him to discuss with Philip how he’s kind of shamed him and how look at look at all the stuff that I used to do, how we would go back to the mission, even though we would sleep with whoever we would get drunk.

00:19:13:05 – 00:19:33:15
Unknown
The mission was the most important. And look what you’re doing, your squandering, what what we’ve set up. It shows his his shame. And Philip and his son for not being able to control himself. And I like the little edition of the cover story where it’s like he turned on you and you defended yourself.

00:19:33:22 – 00:19:46:22
Unknown
Mm-Hmm. I like that term because it shows just how quickly you can spin a tale and make it so that this disappears. This isn’t a problem for you. And look what I’m willing to do for you. I got you out of jail.

00:19:46:23 – 00:19:58:24
Unknown
I gave a cover story. You’re getting your life taken care of now. How about you? Remember the reason why you’re living your life? What have I trained you to do and become? Yeah. So I love that. Philip Marco dynamic there.

00:19:59:08 – 00:20:13:05
Unknown
Yeah, it’s it’s he kind of goes like, isn’t it real nice to have someone to bail you out? You know, like, I didn’t have that. And it’s like, you know, it’s kind of shaming him for for him having these kind of resources and stuff where he’s got a dad, they can bail him out of jail and stuff

00:20:13:08 – 00:20:29:20
Unknown
when that kind of thing happens. And yeah, talking about sin who sin is the sin is that really big guy that that Naomi knew that died in the previous season and kind of talking about them working and them always coming back, like you said, to to to the mission and going back to work.

00:20:29:22 – 00:20:41:02
Unknown
You like you. You had fun. You did dumb stuff when you’re off the clock, but you clocked in and you were responsible and you got your stuff done when you needed to get done. And Philip is not doing that, he’s kind of unraveling.

00:20:41:19 – 00:20:58:02
Unknown
So yeah, I thought that was a really cool dynamic there. And then the push back, like you said from Star Helix, it’s it’s like the show is introducing maybe some fractures in that and that a faction that he’s built now six months on, where you starting to see that they’re not just at the snap of a finger

00:20:58:02 – 00:21:13:06
Unknown
doing what he says. I mean, they are. I mean, she doesn’t like release in there, but there is some some push back and you could see there’s maybe some ideological differences about the martial law in the way he’s governing series and and not, not really, you know, following the letter of the law like he should, and that

00:21:13:06 – 00:21:26:19
Unknown
may present some challenges for him going forward. We’re back on the Razzie, and this is where Bobby is kind of detailing the mission to the crew, and she’s talking to all of them about the fact that they’re going to catch that spot or ship.

00:21:26:22 – 00:21:41:14
Unknown
We’re going to. I think they said we’re gonna drive up behind the ship in the dry plume undetected. We’re going to jump on the ship. She’s going to use some kind of EMP device to disable the drive. They’re going to blast up with the doors, take the guys out and then all of a sudden they’ll have the

00:21:41:21 – 00:21:52:14
Unknown
the ship and all the data that’s there. And this is like I said previously, where we see those ideological differences between Bobby and the crew, where she’s she’s very much like a military person, and I think they’re so world weary.

00:21:52:15 – 00:22:09:12
Unknown
After all the stuff that they’ve done and all the other escapades that they’ve been on, that they just see all the ways this could go wrong. It’s it’s a point of point of conflict there. A couple notes on this scene I wanted to talk about was Amos saying Amos for the second episode in a row, discussing how

00:22:09:12 – 00:22:19:24
Unknown
they’re not getting paid? So like, he’s like how much? How much are we getting paid for this? And I think in the first the first season, he was like, Well, officer, I’ll give us more money for taking out more of these ships.

00:22:20:10 – 00:22:29:22
Unknown
So it seems like maybe he’s at that point where he’s just looking to kind of he’s looking. He’s like, If I’m going through all this, there needs to be some kind of reward for it, you know? Yeah, they’re they’re detailing the plan.

00:22:29:22 – 00:22:39:22
Unknown
What did you think of the plan overall that they want to catch this partnership? I know we didn’t anticipate that necessarily in the last episode, but it does make a lot of sense if you capture the sponsorship and you know where all the rocks are.

00:22:39:23 – 00:22:56:04
Unknown
So it seems like a really big haul if you’re able to get that what you think of that plan. Yeah, it’s a really smart plan, especially because as we soon find out that these rocks were set to go off anyway, so it seemed like they end up having a schedule.

00:22:56:04 – 00:23:07:23
Unknown
So when we’re when we’re talking about this and they’re like, Hey, if we do this, we know where everything is as opposed to, Hey, we destroy this, and then there’s another spotter ship that could take its place, potentially.

00:23:08:08 – 00:23:24:15
Unknown
And so I thought it was an ingenious plan. It’s one of those chess moves that are like your key move, like when you look back and like, what? At what point did they win the game? This is one of those key moments where it’s like, if they could take this spot or shipping it, that information now would

00:23:24:15 – 00:23:39:16
Unknown
be key to them being able to win this war against the Free Navy. Yeah, yeah. I think it’s I think it’s a great plan as well. It doesn’t. When she said it almost made too much sense, I’m just like, Yeah, why would you destroy that ship when if you if you’re able to capture it, you could get

00:23:39:16 – 00:23:49:19
Unknown
access to all of the these rocks that are time to time to go off at you in that way? I think the watchtowers is what they called it on Earth would be able to know, OK, this rocks coming at this time.

00:23:49:29 – 00:24:08:07
Unknown
Take it out, take it out, take it out. There’s not like a there’s no longer a threat there. It goes from that scene to the azure. I’m sorry, the titan. So this is Ash Ferns old ship that can be the drummer is now piloting with her, her splintered poly amp Pham.

00:24:08:07 – 00:24:29:02
Unknown
And she is meeting up with a pirate, one of her pirate contacts that she doesn’t very, very much trust. Holy. But she’s dropping Michaud off with them because she feels like maybe she’d be safer with them than on this rogue, treacherous ship that there are now communities very much like a wanted person in the galaxy.

00:24:29:02 – 00:24:41:12
Unknown
So she thinks dropping them off with someone that’s less of a less of a threat would be good for me. She’s there. We get a new character. It is a new pirate in the vein of Ashford, and his name is Liang Walker, I believe.

00:24:41:22 – 00:24:56:05
Unknown
What did you think of Liang Walker, the introduction to his character and kind of introducing this new wrinkle in the Free Navy, which is this there’s a kind of growing discontent among some of the OPay factions about Marco and stuff.

00:24:56:05 – 00:25:14:05
Unknown
They kind of they’re kind of introducing that story element as well. But what did you think of Lee Yang’s introduction in that scene? So the moment I saw Liang, I instantly felt my heart missing Ashford. Yeah, I I love the old pirates.

00:25:15:11 – 00:25:32:01
Unknown
In in fiction. And so Ashford was one of my favorites. And so when I saw Liang and I saw I was like, Oh, he’s part of that old guard. Just like, just like how Ashford was, especially with the way that he talked about the ship and how I was like a classic pirate sort of operation that they

00:25:32:01 – 00:25:58:28
Unknown
had and the idea of people having some beef with Margot makes sense. Belcher’s are scrappy. They’ve always been scrappy. They are survivors just by the nature of who they are and where they were born. And so the concept of a group of belters, however large or small, being like, Oh, well, we’ll partner with Margot because we see

00:25:58:28 – 00:26:13:20
Unknown
the alternative and the alternative is either death or, you know, servitude or whatever it’s going to become, you know, as they do their predictions, the idea of them would be like, Hey, we skim off the top, we make our living, and Marco kind of leaves us alone a little bit.

00:26:13:26 – 00:26:34:26
Unknown
I’m OK with that. And and so that that ideal and the way that he kind of carries himself is is good. It’s good, and it gives drummers something to play off of. It gives her an uneasy ally potentially, which could serve for either a really jacked up betrayal or really awesome support tool.

00:26:35:01 – 00:26:51:03
Unknown
And so us as an audience, not knowing which way he might lean with where drummer is going, that’s got some exciting potential to it. So I’m curious to see where they’re going to take this and whether or not it’s going to come back to bite the polyimide film in the astronaut.

00:26:51:17 – 00:27:08:16
Unknown
Yeah, it’s his character archetype has been used it a lot of a lot of different stories, and it’s that’s what it’s been. It’s been this point of tension where you’re like, they’re they’re almost outwardly morally gray. So like, you’re you’re never sure you’re like they could either be a really big help or they could be a huge

00:27:08:16 – 00:27:21:15
Unknown
like. The drama with them is so, so heightened because they’re either going to really, really assist them in helping against Marco or they’re going to be like like she alludes to in the scene where she says it’s hard as a coffin nail.

00:27:22:01 – 00:27:34:18
Unknown
He could be the nail in the coffin for the Ted Polley and him at some point as well. So, yeah, I really like his introduction as a character. It adds another wrinkle to kind of comedic storyline and a point of drama, like you said between the two.

00:27:35:14 – 00:27:56:23
Unknown
A couple of notes I had on the scene, whereas he is so he’s a smuggler and a thief, which kind of fits that archetype as well. He’s Golden Beau, which is one of the opera pirate factions there, and he they have been moving supplies, so they’re moving water purifiers and stuff along those lines to the different supply

00:27:56:24 – 00:28:11:02
Unknown
depots that Marco has been trying to set up to make the the belts self-sustaining. And I spoke in the last prediction. Then I thought Avasarala, his big move was going to be potentially attacking the supply depots because that would give her leverage there.

00:28:11:10 – 00:28:29:10
Unknown
It seems like that that idea is going to be spearheaded by drummer and her ship and the Titan and maybe this Golden Bough faction here, so they seem to be introducing that. Again, there are splinters in Marco’s loyalty, which, to your point, makes a lot of sense with the Beltre culture.

00:28:29:21 – 00:28:41:03
Unknown
You know, it’s very much like, what have you done for me lately? And it’s very much about action over words so they don’t like his flowery language and stuff. And he even says, like Marcos, pretty hair and pretty smile and stuff like they.

00:28:41:08 – 00:28:58:24
Unknown
They don’t have much respect for him as a leader. At least the Golden Bough doesn’t, so it seems like cumin is going to assemble this maybe a rogue fleet, potentially to you to kind of go at Marco on there, which I think would be would be a really smart move, especially hitting those supply depots like we talked

00:28:58:24 – 00:29:11:12
Unknown
about before. It goes from the scene there to think we’re back on series and Marco is looking at. And I wanted to kind of get your opinion on this because I wasn’t sure exactly what he was looking at trying to do.

00:29:11:13 – 00:29:23:25
Unknown
He’s looking at potentially trying to get supplies to Medina faster. It’s kind of showing, I guess, that scene is kind of showing that the belt is very stretched thin and resources are very scarce, and maybe the pressure is getting a little higher.

00:29:23:26 – 00:29:44:25
Unknown
Do you think that was the purpose of that? Oh, yeah, absolutely. So I was thinking, as I saw, I’ve seen that this is a follow up to the conversation that they had in last week’s episode. So I’m thinking that in the six or however many months it’s been at this point where Marco is taking control, OK, the

00:29:44:25 – 00:30:00:13
Unknown
needs of the belt are starting to come through and he’s looking at he’s looking at OK, if Medina is in the most trouble right now, is there a way that we can get there faster? And so I like when his assistant comes in whose name is failing me right now.

00:30:00:20 – 00:30:16:09
Unknown
Rosenfeld Yes, Roosevelt, thank you. Rosenfeld comes through and she’s like, Oh, this is this is the rule. This is how we have to do this. He’s kind of faced with with the fact that he can’t charisma his way out of this.

00:30:16:15 – 00:30:35:10
Unknown
This is a legitimate problem that he has. And and sidebar, I just really enjoy the fact that Liang talked about his pretty hair and that he had it up in a bun. Yeah, yeah. But we’re we’re seeing him try and go root to root like, there’s got to be a solution.

00:30:35:10 – 00:30:50:23
Unknown
There’s got to be a solution. And there isn’t one. And this is the again showing the fractures in Marco’s plan. He has this dream and he inspires people with the dream. My drummer says he’s good at getting people to to follow him.

00:30:51:17 – 00:31:11:04
Unknown
And now the cracks in what he’s able to do are coming through. And it’s not getting to him as much as it’s getting to fill up. But the stress is there, the pressure is there. And that’s part of the reason why Roosevelt, I think, is an interesting character because she’s very pragmatic and has the ability to just

00:31:11:04 – 00:31:29:07
Unknown
kind of tell him what it is. And and that was one of the strengths of the interactions within this little sequence right here for me. Yeah, absolutely. And continuing into that sequence, yeah, he does have a conversation with Roosevelt, which is which is kind of shaping up to be his number two in command, especially with Philip faltering

00:31:29:07 – 00:31:41:13
Unknown
in the way he has. She’s kind of she’s kind of stepped up to be that for him. They’ve had a they have a conversation about Philip and about his, you know, that he’s kind of been a stain on the free navy since they’ve been in series.

00:31:41:13 – 00:31:58:22
Unknown
And he’s been kind of an embarrassment to not just Marco, but the entire kind of crew and ship their they they’ve all seen it. So he she has a very blunt conversation with him. She, you know, they seem to be expressing that Rosenfeld seems to be the one person on the ship that’s not tiptoeing around Marco.

00:31:58:22 – 00:32:15:00
Unknown
That’s telling it to him straight. That’s not really scared of him. It’s not afraid of him. And I think Marco kind of respects that he needs to have somebody that’s able to kind of tell him the truth in that in that way, without without worrying about stepping on eggshells or around him and everything they.

00:32:15:20 – 00:32:27:09
Unknown
So she’s a very she’s very brash, not afraid of him. And he says something that I kind of wanted to dig into, which was, he’s a part of me. He’s he’s a part of me. And I think that really highlights Marco’s narcissism.

00:32:27:09 – 00:32:41:08
Unknown
I think he I think what he loves about Philip is that Philip’s genetically like, like related to him. You know what I mean? I don’t think he loves anything about Philip intuitively, like anything about about Philip Phillips, maybe personality or any of his traits.

00:32:41:08 – 00:32:56:16
Unknown
Potentially it’s just like he’s a representation of me and he’s embarrassing, you know what I mean? It’s like it’s a very much a it’s not. I don’t think it’s much worry about Philip as a person, as much as it is about Marcos image and reputation that’s being being put at there.

00:32:56:16 – 00:33:14:25
Unknown
Did you get that from that scene to that kind of narcissistic, even if even if Philip’s going through something, it’s about me and this is this is this is very tough for me to go through. Oh, absolutely. Ever since the Margot and Philip dynamic has come to the forefront of the story, it has been a tale, a

00:33:14:25 – 00:33:32:23
Unknown
classic tale of a fractured father and son relationship due to the narcissism of the father. Everything that Philip is is an extension of Marco, and I believe there has been points where Marco has referred to what he views as both negative traits is coming from his mother.

00:33:33:05 – 00:33:49:16
Unknown
And so Marco Marco wants to take all the positive aspects, a.k.a. the aspects that he feels got from him. Credit for that, but not. It is acting out, and he is the only person around instead of his mom being around.

00:33:49:23 – 00:34:03:06
Unknown
He’s he’s taking that same head on. And so he he’s getting embarrassing. He wants to have these one off conversations. He wants to tell him, Hey, this is how you do this because you know you, you are. You are of me.

00:34:03:20 – 00:34:14:20
Unknown
And you definitely definitely get that vibe. Yeah, he’s like, You’re not my clone. What’s going on? Why is this? Why are you not? Why are you not like a little Marco clone like I wanted you to be and kind of wrestling with that?

00:34:14:27 – 00:34:36:14
Unknown
He’s also angry, like Marco’s angry. And not just that, Phillip. He’s angry at his position. He hates this. He hates being this like revolutionary. He hates being this revolutionary like symbol. He’s he’s a soldier. So like when he’s tasked with these like logistical things of having to get supplies somewhere quickly or having to maybe deal with the

00:34:36:14 – 00:34:47:19
Unknown
more logistic problems that present themselves on series in the belt. Because he’s this this leader there, he would much rather just not have to deal with any of that at all because he’s just this. He’s he’s a revolutionary without a revolution.

00:34:47:19 – 00:35:00:26
Unknown
You know, he’s he’s he’s gotten control of this thing, and now he’s having to deal with that. And you’re starting to see that he’s just not fit for that kind of leadership. And I think it’s starting to present cracks where people underneath him are starting to see that he’s not fit for that kind of leadership, too.

00:35:01:16 – 00:35:21:11
Unknown
So that that kind of presents a big challenge for them going forward on the the scene intercuts with Philip going back to his quarters or Jon’s quarters and grabbing that awesome alligator vest and and and delivering a message to Jon’s family where he says Jon died honorably serving the belt.

00:35:22:08 – 00:35:40:00
Unknown
Do you think that that message that he sent may be a plot point that might bite them in the in the about going forward? Just that they’re creating this kind of propagandist message that John fought a commanding officer and then was dishonorably killed, and then the actual person that fought him is making this video message saying that

00:35:40:00 – 00:35:54:17
Unknown
he died honorably serving the belt. Do you think that might rear its head later? I would love to. I I’d love to see that. I hit me kind of has a Chekhov’s gun sort of situation. I think The Expanse is generally pretty good at like subverting tropes.

00:35:55:06 – 00:36:19:01
Unknown
But but that definitely seems like one where if the downfall of Marco is going to be his lack of political savvy, like shrewd, political savvy, I could see I could see there being, you know, sparks or kindling that is brought to a flame of revolution against Marco based on decisions that Philip makes.

00:36:19:23 – 00:36:38:07
Unknown
And so this being one of the ones where he directly goes against what his father told him to do and there’s evidence of it. I can see that being a problem. Yeah, absolutely. It cuts from that scene. We’re back on to China now, and this is where they really flesh out the the idea that that Camino is

00:36:38:07 – 00:36:51:29
Unknown
going to be assembling this rogue pirate pirate fleet, potentially to try to take back the supply depots. That seems to be the implication that I got from the scene. And it’s kind of this is where again, they talk about.

00:36:52:05 – 00:37:10:11
Unknown
He talks about that. They don’t really have respect for Marco and talk about his pretty hair and pretty smile and stuff. And they seem to be presenting those cracks in Marco’s giant free navy faction that there’s there’s probably these segments there, which is one of the great things about The Expanse, in my opinion, is that no, no

00:37:10:24 – 00:37:29:11
Unknown
, no big group of people is monolithic. They all have these different factions that are different ideologies that go on, whether it’s like Laconia and there’s like the militaristic in the scientific community and there’s clashes in between that, like, nothing is just this one overarching person that represents a group of people or a planet or anything like that

00:37:29:11 – 00:37:43:13
Unknown
. So presenting that I thought was really cool. And yeah, Camino is is starting to kind of make her play here. And obviously, she could definitely use the resources of the Golden Bough if she does go this route, they only have three torpedoes and stuff.

00:37:43:13 – 00:38:03:28
Unknown
So this could also be advantageous in that regard. If they do make a an alliance, they can maybe get some resources that way that they desperately need. But yeah, what did you think of the idea of of kind of her idea to hit those supply depots and kind of try to conscript some golden bow that maybe disaffected

00:38:03:28 – 00:38:31:23
Unknown
by Marcos leadership to join that cause? Drummer is a genius drummer, understands people, she understands belts very, very well. The idea of hitting supply chains is good because it’s it’s not the typical we’re just going to bomb wherever our soldiers are right, because the whole concept is if the belt is united under Marco, you’re always going to

00:38:31:24 – 00:38:46:20
Unknown
find more soldiers. There’s always going to be a on who wants glory, right? And once everything that comes from that. And then you look at there, what supports them? What did the Belcher’s always want? They wanted the good resources.

00:38:46:20 – 00:39:05:08
Unknown
They didn’t want to have all this crap that the owners were sending their way when they were putting in all that work for four years, right? Going out, bringing stuff for the owners to have better lives. And so if you get rid of their food supply, of course, the belt is going to go into an unstable scenario

00:39:05:08 – 00:39:17:03
Unknown
because that’s what they want and that’s what they believe they were going to get under Mark. When they thought they were going to have better food, they thought they were going to have better lives. And so they follow this man and drummers like we hit these chains and that falls apart.

00:39:17:11 – 00:39:36:28
Unknown
We get on supplies and we’re supported. And then those who are disenfranchized or will become disenfranchized with just a little bit of push. This is the push that gets them there. And so I think I think drummers got Marco in her sights and she’s she’s got that fire for sure.

00:39:36:28 – 00:39:50:13
Unknown
Yeah. And much like the The Roxy plan to kind of take over the spotter ship, the Azure Dragon, it’s not much about. It’s not about destroying these supply depots, it’s about taking control of them because then the people are kind of in your hands at that point.

00:39:50:20 – 00:40:10:13
Unknown
The deltas that may be need that food and water are are loyal to you as someone that can provide that life sustaining resources that Marco can. So it seems to be the plan seems to be to take these supply depots and kind of exercise that power over Marco, that he doesn’t have the resource chains to keep these

00:40:10:13 – 00:40:23:02
Unknown
people on his side. So you can definitely kind of see I can see the blueprints for his downfall. You know what I mean? Like, I can already kind of see that manifesting here in different ways that I’ll go into when we get into predictions as well.

00:40:23:29 – 00:40:40:06
Unknown
It cuts back to the seat of Phillip, and he is kind of torn up with guilt over what he did to Johan and everything else, but more specifically what he did with Johan. And he goes to Rosenfeld and asks her to provide Joanne’s family with resources that he since he died serving about.

00:40:40:15 – 00:40:55:17
Unknown
And she quickly says, Hey, what the story we put out there is that you, you were attacked, defended yourself and killed him. So he died dishonorably, and there are going to be getting anything. But then she, as a as an olive branch, extends that she’ll give his family some resources there.

00:40:57:26 – 00:41:13:19
Unknown
So, yeah, we had that see there, and that’s where he leaves the video message to his family that we think, like you said, might be a Chekhov’s gun or something that maybe presents itself later to to really cause problems for Marco’s ability to lead everybody and kind of his his image.

00:41:15:08 – 00:41:28:12
Unknown
And then we get to the fun stuff here. So it looks like we get right into the, you know, in episode one that we did, we alluded that there was going to be a big showdown between the rationality and the Azure Dragon, and it seems like this is the episode that it occurred.

00:41:28:12 – 00:41:49:06
Unknown
So we get this really cool showdown between them. It starts off first, though, with them kind of getting ready. In the ship there, I thought there was a cool touch where Naomi so Naomi had put on an Muqrin suit, and I thought they they kind of hung on that because I just remember thinking how cool that was

00:41:49:06 – 00:42:03:29
Unknown
because it’s like they’re on a U.N. operation. The United Nations Operations Commission, aided by Avasarala. There’s an extremely famous belter wearing a Martian suit, and I was just like, This is kind of, you know, when she gave her big speech at the end of season five and said, This is what we need.

00:42:03:29 – 00:42:14:20
Unknown
And she was alluding to all of the people from the different places coexisting in this room. I thought that was a really kind of efficient way to show that where it’s like, there’s this belter on a U.N. mission in Martian armor.

00:42:14:21 – 00:42:29:06
Unknown
You know what I mean? Like, everything’s kind of working together to try to stop this threat. And yeah, they go through the operation. It’s it’s cutting back between that with Monica talking to Ava Sarala on the, I think, Luna.

00:42:29:07 – 00:42:47:14
Unknown
She’s like the Luna correspondent now, and she’s kind of pressuring Avasarala, who’s beginning to go through this mission here. And I guess we can go through the whole mission. So. They they go through the entire thing, and Naomi has an issue going there, but if you want to walk through what your thoughts were from from start to

00:42:47:14 – 00:43:06:09
Unknown
finish from when they started this mission to the very end, were they get this intel? What were your thoughts in this entire sequence? Yes. So I loved the mission sequence. It was. It was definitely smart to have that as like their AX three because it had a lot of energy in there and was a lot of stuff

00:43:06:09 – 00:43:24:22
Unknown
that could go wrong that that I was curious to see how it goes because part of part of the narrative weight of this, and especially in lieu of losing Alex in the way that we felt that in the hour the Premiere was, how does Clarissa now play a role in this?

00:43:25:05 – 00:43:42:17
Unknown
And so Bobby is is pushing and saying, Hey, this is the plan. And as they go in, they open to space and it’s like, All right, it’s time we’re going for this to to drop this MP. I love seeing them go through space from ship to ship.

00:43:42:17 – 00:44:00:09
Unknown
As you know, they they finally figure it out. But the little the little grab lock that Bobby had on her glove was really interesting to see. I was like, Oh, of course, that makes total sense. But it was Naomi’s hesitation that really sold it for me.

00:44:00:23 – 00:44:16:24
Unknown
Because when you think about everything that Naomi went through as a character last season, her space jumps the fact that she would have a little bit of hesitation and that that would prevent more like a paralysis like it was just like she couldn’t operate, you know?

00:44:17:12 – 00:44:32:10
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. I love that. I love that. I thought that was perfect, and it gave Clarissa her moment to shine and her moment to be legitimized in the crew. And so I really like that that that falling sequence is great.

00:44:33:00 – 00:44:58:12
Unknown
I loved all of the stuff where they were shooting inside. I’ll never get tired of seeing floating blood from a gunshot on ships. That’s just a highlight of the expanse in general. But the thing that I really loved was seeing Holden as an effective pilots and seeing him maneuver the residency with that dragon.

00:44:58:13 – 00:45:09:19
Unknown
I thought he did great, and maybe I should have expected that I should have anticipated him being a good pilot, but I think that he just really led the way and showed his chops as a captain and more than one way.

00:45:09:25 – 00:45:32:11
Unknown
It’s not him barking orders, but showing that there are things that he can do. Yeah, when called upon. So I really like just everyone’s role in in this entire sequence. And then, of course, I was say that and of course, the the Free Navy were attempting to clear out that data because they realized, Hey, we’ve been boarded

00:45:32:13 – 00:45:48:23
Unknown
. We’re going to have to. We’re going to have to stop this. But I thought it was just overall super effective and a great, great sequence. What do you think? Yeah, really great. Really fast paced. I again, I think the highlight of the scene for me too was also Naomi’s kind of paralysis there.

00:45:48:29 – 00:46:04:11
Unknown
I just thought that was such an efficient choice, but because it both highlighted and gave consequence to the traumatic experience that she went through at the end of last season and really shows that there are lasting impacts of that trauma that she’s still kind of needing to work through and needing to do to kind of figure out

00:46:04:21 – 00:46:21:14
Unknown
. And at the same time, I love that it does. It serves both of those purposes where it highlights that about Naomi. But it also gives Clarissa this opportunity to get in the good graces of the crew and to really show that she’s she’s she’s a productive member of the crew there.

00:46:21:19 – 00:46:36:14
Unknown
I like the little touch to where Holden asks what happened at Adobe and she had the gracious is not to say she froze up and screwed up the mission. She says she had a technical malfunction. I thought that was a really, really nice little wrinkle for her to kind of hopefully get a Naomi’s good graces after doing

00:46:36:14 – 00:46:53:25
Unknown
something like that. I also like that Naomi just wasn’t a useless observer in that instance. She immediately kind of goes back. She musters the resilience to to to go to the panel and to come up with a clutch assist for Clarissa to to pull the correct cord and stuff like that.

00:46:53:25 – 00:47:04:02
Unknown
I think it was. I think it was a good synergy of having both of them help each other in that moment as opposed to it being one sided. Or maybe Naomi having this kind of massive failing that ruined the mission, potentially.

00:47:04:25 – 00:47:18:19
Unknown
Clarissa also uses her mods to save Bobby in an instance there and, like you said, alluded to with the floating blood. I’ll never get tired of that. Also, never get tired of like dead bodies being stuck by their feet and just kind of like hanging there.

00:47:18:26 – 00:47:29:26
Unknown
Like those are like those, those are those flailing arm and things that you see it like car dealerships, just kind of like, you know what I mean, just like they do and nothing, I think, does look really cool as well.

00:47:31:21 – 00:47:42:26
Unknown
And I think that’s I think that’s what happened with the mission they get in. Yeah, like you said, they were trying to wipe the drive. They were unsuccessful because the the breaching party with. Amos and Holden got through there.

00:47:43:22 – 00:47:55:28
Unknown
I was a little confused because I was like, OK, so I guess Holden locked them in a position next to the ship once it, once it got emptied and then I guess it went on autopilot and he jumped down and went into the the the landing party.

00:47:56:07 – 00:48:10:14
Unknown
I’m assuming that’s what happened or all of it. Yeah, yeah. I think because I think once once she used that EMP device to shut the ship down, it wasn’t going to be moving anywhere. So he was able to just kind of lock it into position and then run down and take over.

00:48:11:25 – 00:48:22:05
Unknown
Which I think was a good move, too, because I think it would have been very out of character for Holden to just be a passive observer in that mission. You don’t. I mean, Holden very much wants to be the person that’s taking on the biggest risk for the crew.

00:48:22:15 – 00:48:33:02
Unknown
So it would have been weird if he was just the pilot and just watching everything on a screen as they were going through all that and kind of kind of, you know, I get that he had to do that because he’s the only one that could maybe maneuver the ship that way.

00:48:33:02 – 00:48:49:06
Unknown
But I’m glad that he was able to park it and get into the action because that seems very like a very Holden thing to do. But yeah, I really, really love the scene. My question to you was, do they have control over all the rocks now where they could maybe like manipulate the rocks to go where they

00:48:49:06 – 00:48:58:26
Unknown
want? Or do you think that they just know now where they are so they can anticipate when they attack and stop them? Like, do they have a new a new weapon in their arsenal now? Or is it just that they have?

00:48:58:26 – 00:49:13:17
Unknown
They’ve kind of taken that chip off the board for the free Navy. So. So that’s that kind of goes into that conversation between Monica and Avasarala that’s coming up. And why I was wrong. I had that smile on her face is I could see it.

00:49:13:17 – 00:49:29:11
Unknown
I could see it being a situation where because they have access to where the rocks are from, the spotter ship in this Photoshop had the ability to communicate those things. I could see them being able to be like, All right, let’s input this data and take control of the rocks.

00:49:29:28 – 00:49:52:15
Unknown
Because from what what Marco ends up kind of addressing is that, OK, this is really bad. This is really, really bad that they have this information. And so whether whether it is Avasarala being like, OK, cool, we can attack the free navy or, hey, we can defuze all of these rocks, including rocks that we didn’t know even

00:49:52:15 – 00:50:11:20
Unknown
existed. Mm hmm. Both of those are massive wins. I personally would think it would be more interesting if they if they did not have the ability to fire the rocks only as how do you fire on guerrilla ships when the rocks take so long to send out?

00:50:11:25 – 00:50:23:14
Unknown
And it’s not obvious Lara Logan wants to bomb Ceres. It’s not like she wants to do all of these things that Marco was willing to do because you just have to bomb the Earthers or, you know, whatever’s left of Mars.

00:50:24:22 – 00:50:42:27
Unknown
So to me, it wouldn’t be tactical for them to use the rocks as weapons like Marco is doing because they’re not fighting the same style of war that he is. Yeah, yeah, I think so. So I don’t think that they can manipulate the rocks to go where they want, because from what we saw in the first episode

00:50:42:27 – 00:50:55:12
Unknown
was, it looks like the rocks just have a drive on them. They haven’t, just a drive that goes in one direction. They can’t like pitch or go in different like, I don’t think they can aim. I think what it is is the spotter ship is waiting for it to get in the perfect trajectory and then firing so

00:50:55:12 – 00:51:05:15
Unknown
that it knew that it was going to hit Earth at a certain point. So I think that’s probably the case. But the thing is with orbits is they could wait until the orbit is in a different trajectory fired off it.

00:51:05:15 – 00:51:17:20
Unknown
It could go kind of wherever they want, so they could have control in that aspect. The other way is that if you’re using gravity assists around planets, it would just be maybe about slightly redirecting the rocks to circle around something and shoot the other way.

00:51:17:20 – 00:51:31:02
Unknown
So you could potentially use that as well. So I like, like you said, I think it’d be more interesting if they can’t because I think it makes them pretty overpowered if they’re able to just kind of use the rocks against against a foe that doesn’t have watchtowers that can shoot things out of the sky.

00:51:31:09 – 00:51:46:11
Unknown
I think it would kind of overpower them, you know, but at the same time, it presents this like it could be if since it’s like a threat, that they could use the rocks potentially down the line and it could be something that maybe shows it shows itself later in the season.

00:51:46:12 – 00:51:59:00
Unknown
I think Marco alluding to that, it’s a really big problem towards the in the last scene. There is more so that, like you said, they can redeploy these fleets knowing that they don’t have the threat of asteroids coming in at all time.

00:51:59:00 – 00:52:19:21
Unknown
So they’re able to redeploy the fleets in that regard. I don’t think he was that too concerned about them, maybe using the rocks there. But it does cut back to a scene with Monica and Avasarala, where Avasarala is trying to get Monica to to maybe write pieces, write a piece that maybe highlights the damage that Marco is

00:52:19:21 – 00:52:38:29
Unknown
done. And maybe the the more on the boots on the ground type coverage of this crisis on Earth and what all the asteroids have done to the common man down on Earth as well. What did you think of this scene between Monica and Christian and in her her kind of plan to hopefully, she said.

00:52:39:01 – 00:52:58:15
Unknown
Try to grab some people on the margins in the belt. I’m a big believer in looking at series long character arcs, especially when we go into final seasons. And so the Christian Avasarala storyline has been one of my favorites as she has become more human focused.

00:52:59:23 – 00:53:16:26
Unknown
It’s been marvelous to see it. And so when she’s talking about the human side of things, what this actually reminded me of was the memorial scene from season five, when she is mourning her husband that she sends his little phrase up at Luna.

00:53:17:11 – 00:53:37:02
Unknown
And the reason why I did that was because that humanized the central political figure someone who Marco has no doubt oddly are undoubtedly demonized to it. And so when she’s thinking about, like, who reaches what you go back to her speech as well at the end and it’s like, Hey, this is what Marco doesn’t understand.

00:53:38:11 – 00:53:53:00
Unknown
You then see someone who has a lot of media influence and she’s like, You have the chance to reach people. And in the back of my head, I’m like, Yes, because Christian was reached. She was able to be reached in and kind of changed her ways.

00:53:53:07 – 00:54:10:00
Unknown
And so maybe appealing to that humanity through Monaco’s large influence may be a way to tilt the scales. And even, you know, she used her guilt trip to do so. And I loved her line about saying, I do it a lot when I’m alone.

00:54:10:26 – 00:54:29:09
Unknown
I think I think it was it was really cool to see Christian thinking outside the box again, thinking beyond the violence of war and more of saying like, Hey, guys, like we are, we are humans. Let’s let’s see if there’s anything that we can do here to appeal to that.

00:54:29:14 – 00:54:40:05
Unknown
If you remember, like season one, she was the I’m going to hang belters from hooks and, you know, she was a she was a very kind of draconian leader. She’s she’s very much not an ends justify the means type leader anymore.

00:54:40:06 – 00:54:56:26
Unknown
She seems to be more like, you know, these are human beings, no matter where they’re from, like the Bella Mars or anything of that seems to be a warming thing for her character that’s come over the series. And I loved I loved Monica’s rebukes to her, like initial rebukes to her where I’m not a propagandist.

00:54:56:27 – 00:55:08:23
Unknown
You have your own people for propaganda and kind of pushing back on on Avasarala kind of reading the room and realizing that in a in a broader sense, that Christian could just be using her as a mouthpiece for the state media.

00:55:09:02 – 00:55:25:01
Unknown
And she even says, you know, she says, you have, you have, you can reach people. And she said, I have credibility that state media doesn’t have and you want to exploit it. And I thought that was I thought that was good, that she’s at least aware of that, that machination, potentially a play.

00:55:25:01 – 00:55:34:15
Unknown
So she says, Yeah, you might change a few people on the margins. And if you don’t do this, are you going to? Are you going to worry about the people that it could have saved and kind of guilt tripping her?

00:55:34:15 – 00:55:49:24
Unknown
And I did like that line to where she says I guilt trip myself on my own all the time. So she she practices on herself, essentially. It goes from that. See, we’re back on the rocks. It looks like Amos is debriefing with Clarissa, who’s getting some medical treatment after her saving Bobby the way she did.

00:55:50:02 – 00:56:02:07
Unknown
Holden comes in the very stern captain. He’s he’s extremely old school, and he essentially says, I know you were trying to help, but you went, but you broke the chain of command that can’t happen again if you’re going to be part of this crew.

00:56:02:08 – 00:56:16:20
Unknown
You need to understand that the chain of command and make sure you’re checking in with me on everything before making a decision. What do you think of that scene with with her and and Amos debriefing and holding coming in to talk with her and then him him letting it slip that she’s part of the crew?

00:56:16:21 – 00:56:30:18
Unknown
What do you think of that scene? Yeah. So Season five, I was a major fan of the Amos and Clarissa storyline. Their track to get back to the Moon. I loved it. And so those two, I think, just have very natural chemistry.

00:56:31:22 – 00:56:45:00
Unknown
So when they’re onscreen, it’s very easy for me to kind of fall into their their rhythm. It feels very lived in. So when he’s just kind of talking to her in the beginning, I like that. And then when holding comes in and cold, it’s like, Hey, can I talk to Clarissa?

00:56:45:00 – 00:56:58:19
Unknown
And it was just like, Yeah, like the other. You go back. That whole thing were to do this alone and called it just dealing with it. I love their dynamic, but hold in basically chewing her out by like, Hey, like, this is this is what we got to do.

00:56:58:19 – 00:57:12:01
Unknown
Like we have to if if you’re part of this, we have to communicate, we can just do this. My word is law as captain and and the whole time I was thinking what Clarissa was saying, I was like, Oh, he just says she’s part of the crew like he is, has accepted her.

00:57:12:12 – 00:57:29:22
Unknown
And she she kind of fell a little outside the realm of acceptance for a long time because they’ve been traveling for months now. So for her to get that little point, she had a little tear as she realized like, Oh, shoot, like, I mean something again, you know, I’m not.

00:57:29:22 – 00:57:43:04
Unknown
I’m just this on the outs. So it was a really good episode for her, considering she had the Naomi connection, she had the Holden connection and. And Amos is just kind of there, and so seeing all of them kind of work together.

00:57:43:17 – 00:57:55:20
Unknown
Clarissa’s is starting to feel like, Hey, I might be rounding a corner, and I think I think that’s that’s good for her, especially considering everything she’s done. I love that. You know, he says she’s part of the crew and that’s all she heard.

00:57:55:20 – 00:58:05:08
Unknown
And she was just kind of like zoning everything else out because I think they all know I think Amos and her and even hold a nose that if she didn’t make that call, the, you know, mission would have gone array.

00:58:05:10 – 00:58:17:24
Unknown
It would have not gone the way that it did. And but I think Colton, being as old school as he is, knows that that really doesn’t matter. She still broke chain of command, and there needs to be some at least a conversation about it.

00:58:17:24 – 00:58:27:26
Unknown
And I think that’s what that that conversation was. But I love it. Yeah. She didn’t hear anything after he said crew, and she was just like, OK, I’m now kind of a part of this. I feel like I’m a part of something again.

00:58:27:26 – 00:58:43:26
Unknown
Like you said, I wanted to rewind real quick because I did forget to mention something that I thought was a really subtle and really good character moment. Early in the episode between Holden and Clarissa, when Bobby’s boarding the ship, he he has to tell her that to go kind of stow away for for Bobby.

00:58:44:23 – 00:58:59:26
Unknown
So Bobby doesn’t know that they’re harboring a fugitive or a convicted felon, and he calls her peaches. He calls her peaches on the on the on the com. And what I really loved is the second he said it, he cringed so hard because he’s like, Oh, I called her features.

00:58:59:26 – 00:59:09:26
Unknown
Damn it. Like it was like he’s heard Amos say, call her that so much over these past six months that he just naturally called her that even though he probably he knows that they’re not their relationship isn’t like that.

00:59:10:15 – 00:59:21:10
Unknown
So I love that it was such a really quick moment. But he goes, Hey, Peaches? And then she answers, she’s like Holden, and then you just see him go, like you say, you just like, look like friends. Like, I can’t believe I just called her that.

00:59:21:16 – 00:59:36:21
Unknown
I thought that was a really great moment between the two. But yeah, I did love the scene between them and her name is there and it goes after that scene, too. We’re back on series, I believe, and they’ve just found out.

00:59:36:21 – 00:59:53:09
Unknown
Marco and Rosenfeld have just found out that the Azure Dragon is offline. It doesn’t look like it’s been destroyed. It looks like it’s been captured. They see cam footage of the breach and them getting shot. So now they know they’re like, it looks like somebody I don’t know if they know it’s the U.N. or not, but somebody

00:59:53:09 – 01:00:09:23
Unknown
has access to their rocks and the sponsorship, and now the fleets are going to deploy. This was the final, the final scene here. I really love the fact that Marco smiles because it really alludes to what I’ve been seeing the past two episodes, which is he’s hated.

01:00:10:02 – 01:00:22:06
Unknown
He has hated his position here as like this political leader and this logistical leader for series, right? When he finds out about that, he’s like, Let them come, let’s bring the fight here, and he’s smiling about the whole thing.

01:00:22:12 – 01:00:35:17
Unknown
And you’re like, OK, like, this is what Marcos wanted to do the whole time. He just wants to have a brawl. He wants to have a huge brawl with between the belt and try to try to win this on the battlefield and not these kind of political leanings that he’s been doing there.

01:00:36:04 – 01:00:48:14
Unknown
Is that what you got from the scene here as well with him, with him kind of smiling at the news that they’ve taken back the Azure Dragon and that the fleets are going to redeploy? Yes, I have alluded to this before.

01:00:48:14 – 01:01:10:23
Unknown
I outright Senate. Marco is a romantic for war. He he absolutely romanticizes it and the struggle and the revolution and putting one’s life on the line for the beliefs that is where he feels most at home. And so this is his first major loss in six months, like this is this is his real big loss.

01:01:11:19 – 01:01:27:17
Unknown
And so he’s back on the back foot and he he’s good off the back foot. His is his little drive is is what has gotten him this far. And so for him to take such a major loss and the smile just kind of shows, OK, I’m back at home territory now.

01:01:27:24 – 01:01:39:17
Unknown
I feel comfortable with this. Let’s let’s bring them here and I can lead us to victory because I know what I’m doing here. I may be out of my element and day to day political stuff and how to get people, food and whatnot.

01:01:39:18 – 01:01:54:17
Unknown
But when it comes to fighting a war? Oh yeah, I can do that. I’m all about that. And so I liked I liked his kind of resolve going in. If we look at these six episodes as like a three act play episodes one and two are the first act, right?

01:01:54:18 – 01:02:12:28
Unknown
So that’s the set up. That’s what is going to start taking us into that main conflict and that’s going to drive through episodes three and four. And so to see him like this as we go into that change in the act, I’m I’m definitely hyped to see what he’s going to do, how he’s going to come back

01:02:12:28 – 01:02:28:08
Unknown
from this because thus far, Marko always comes back, right? He’s always like, You got to have your knife in the darkness. And so this this is this is where he’s going to shine, I think. Yeah, I was I was going to touch on that too, because I think it’s a really good characterization that he’s really good off

01:02:28:08 – 01:02:37:26
Unknown
the back foot because like, right before, right before he decided to throw those rocks at Earth, they had an all black screen and then him say the line. You always have to have a knife in the darkness, and that’s that’s his.

01:02:37:28 – 01:02:52:12
Unknown
Mo, you know, like you said, that’s his mo. He’s that guy. So it’s going to be really interesting to see his his his kind of guerrilla tactics and how these elegant guerrilla tactics manifest in this instance like they did last last season as well.

01:02:52:13 – 01:03:06:28
Unknown
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01:03:17:01 – 01:03:32:09
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This aftershow here If you’re listening on Apple Podcasts, make sure to rate the podcast five stars and leave a review that really helps everything gets seen. But we’re going to go ahead and jump into predictions. Danny, do you have any specific predictions after this episode that you think might manifest in the next episode or going forward in

01:03:32:09 – 01:03:56:01
Unknown
the series? So I think next episode, we are going to see some Laconia and soldiers, that is they’ve they’ve kind of whet my appetite for it. So I’m thinking we’re going to see soldiers at some point, we might get a reference to the doctor who was focused on the protein molecule and some of the stuff that’s happening

01:03:56:01 – 01:04:09:01
Unknown
there. But I think I think we’re going to see a little bit more presence on Laconia. I I don’t think it’s going to happen in episode three. So I’m going to withhold on on what one of my predictions is.

01:04:09:26 – 01:04:24:05
Unknown
But it has to do with Avasarala and then where I think her character is going. And then I think that we’re going to get a little bit more about what this plan with the rocks is going to be.

01:04:24:05 – 01:04:41:11
Unknown
I think I think we’re going to specifically hear what Christian’s plan is as opposed to just being like, Oh, cool, I’ve learned what you know these rocks can do. I think she’s going to want to do something with them or she’s going to hold a war council and they are going to say, We have the rocks, let’s

01:04:41:11 – 01:04:57:06
Unknown
do it. And it might be one of those situations where it’s like, Are we going to kill people? So I think I think we might get into something like that. Yeah, that’s a really good point that if she if if we’ve been talking about whether or not she can use the rocks, if they can use the rocks

01:04:57:06 – 01:05:11:29
Unknown
, the question becomes, should they? So if she does, like you said, hold a war, cancel and maybe she is able to wait for these rocks to be in a particular orbits of flying at Ceres, she may be pushing back against that idea, potentially or something something along those lines there.

01:05:11:29 – 01:05:26:22
Unknown
So I can definitely see that maybe taking shape in the next one, I had to kind of small predictions. I think. I think that so I usually, you know, to do things in a row is usually a sign of potentially a sign of a pattern here.

01:05:27:01 – 01:05:40:29
Unknown
I think the show is going to going to be opening with Laconia throughout the entire season. So I think like every episode is going to have a small sample of Laconia and kind of what’s going on at the beginning of the episode, and we’re going to get into our main storyline after that.

01:05:40:29 – 01:05:58:23
Unknown
I think that’s probably going to be the pattern of the season, and it’s going to slowly reveal that small arc in the first first points of each episode. The other thing is, I think Carmina is going to try to take these supply depots or at least in the next episode, she’s going to be aggregating the Golden Bough

01:05:58:23 – 01:06:12:03
Unknown
and kind of gaining those those ships in that kind of power so that they can take those supply depots. I think that’s probably going to happen in the next in the next episode. And I think I think by the end of this season, I’m going to make a bold prediction.

01:06:12:03 – 01:06:27:16
Unknown
I think Amos is going to be filthy rich. I think he’s going to be extremely rich. I think once, once whatever resolves with this season happens, he’s going to get a boatload of money from something and he’s finally going to kind of get that, get that adoration or at least the the resources that he’s been wanting for

01:06:27:16 – 01:06:33:24
Unknown
all of the work he’s been doing or something. I have a feeling he’s just going to be rich at the end of this because it seems like they’re alluding to like he’s he’s like, Are you getting paid for this?

01:06:33:24 – 01:06:53:28
Unknown
Like, Is this we get any money out of this and stuff like that. So I think that might be something there. And then my big prediction is Avasarala has commissioned Bonica to create this project to try to maybe get some belters that are on the fringes to maybe go against Marco or realize that what they’re doing is

01:06:54:00 – 01:07:05:17
Unknown
wrong or that it’s not, you know, it’s not the right play to be following the free navy. I think one of those people that is going to be on the margins that flips on Marco is going to be that star helix commander.

01:07:05:17 – 01:07:24:00
Unknown
That was with Philip that was kind of getting him out there. It’s possible that Monica’s project reaches that, that leader and and they they kind of flip and they decide to use their use, their status on series to try to go at Marco.

01:07:24:00 – 01:07:45:17
Unknown
But mainly this episode was about showing that there’s cracks in Marco’s world, right? There’s there’s three different things there, with the star helix person resenting the way he’s operating on series his son’s displays of kind of unsteadiness. And then also the factions are showing some disloyalty to the Free Navy as well.

01:07:45:17 – 01:07:58:14
Unknown
So this episode is really presenting those fractures there. What do you think about that, that that prediction that maybe the star his commander could potentially be the person that that Monica flips with her project? You know, it’d be interesting.

01:07:58:14 – 01:08:16:13
Unknown
I think a revolution within a revolution is cool, and we we saw some of that pushback that there are some people who aren’t afraid of Marco or as afraid of Marco, I should say. And so if if it were to be the that, that commander, I could see it happening.

01:08:16:14 – 01:08:30:29
Unknown
You have you have access to weaponry, you have access to men who will follow you before they follow someone else. It would be a great win to have. I’ll definitely. Yeah, that’s that’s all our predictions here again, guys.

01:08:30:29 – 01:08:39:04
Unknown
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01:08:39:25 – 01:08:49:03
Unknown
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01:08:49:18 – 01:09:00:21
Unknown
Danny, do you have anything, anything, any kind of projects or anything you’re working on? I know you’ve seen a couple of movies, but are you planning on doing anything with the channel? No, I’m thinking about coming back and talking about my thoughts on Spider-Man.

01:09:00:22 – 01:09:14:05
Unknown
I’ve seen it a couple of times already. So beyond the pale to look out on the face of the internet YouTube channel, and I’ll probably drop my thoughts on Spider-Man No Way Home, probably after opening weekend so we can get the spoilers out of the way.

01:09:14:20 – 01:09:24:23
Unknown
All right, awesome, guys. Well, yeah, keep an eye on this channel that is linked in the description below. We are a third of the way through the series, which is seems like it’s going so quickly and it’s already we’re already third of the way done.

01:09:25:01 – 01:09:33:18
Unknown
It seems like there’s not enough time left here, but as always, guys, thank you so much for joining us. I hope you’re having a great holiday season. Discuss among yourselves and we’ll see you guys next week.

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