Discuss The Expanse Episode 1: Strange Dogs

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Welcome You Screaming Firehawks to the inaugural episode of Discuss The Expanse Season 6 Episode 1! This week Nick and Danny give their analysis of the season premiere, share some exciting Expanse news, and make some bold and troubling predictions on where the show goes from here.

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Episode Transcript

00:00:04:27 – 00:00:16:29
Unknown
What’s up, guys, welcome to discuss The Expanse. This is our newest Discuss podcast. It was back by popular demand I had. I had a lot of people when I did the Discuss Foundation podcast and said they wanted us to cover.

00:00:16:29 – 00:00:32:04
Unknown
This one seems like a similar demographic. So glad we can finally get back to this one. My name is Nick. I’m a creator and contributor at Diss Media, which is they do like movie reviews, reactions, do a podcast network.

00:00:32:04 – 00:00:43:13
Unknown
Obviously, I’m covering discussed Hawkeye as well. So if you guys are, watch the AMC MCU show, I currently make sure to go check that out here, but I am extremely honored to be guested here by my co-host Danny.

00:00:43:14 – 00:00:55:11
Unknown
How are you doing today, man? I’m doing great. I’m doing great. I’m super excited to be doing this with with you. For Season six of The Expanse, I do reviews as well. You can find me on YouTube at Fate of the Internet.

00:00:55:24 – 00:01:10:15
Unknown
My Instagram is dead at Danny and me, and you can see my reviews for seasons one through four. And then I did season five episodically last year, so really enjoy. I really love that. Super excited to talk about The Expanse with you this season.

00:01:10:17 – 00:01:27:01
Unknown
Really exciting stuff. Just for an overview of what the podcast, what you guys can expect this season. We generally start the podcast off with what we thought. Kind of generally on the episode as far as our feelings and where we think it ranks with the other episodes in the season, and then we go into more of a

00:01:27:01 – 00:01:43:02
Unknown
an in-depth scene by scene recap where we kind of break down things and go into a little more specifically about kind of likes and dislikes and character arcs and stuff like that going through the the episode there. And then lastly, we give some fun, hot takes predictions, any kind of stuff that we have about where we think

00:01:43:03 – 00:01:53:12
Unknown
the show is going to be going in the future here before we kick it over and kind of get into our general thoughts here, I did want to go over to kind of pieces of news because I feel like they just happened recently, so I feel like we should probably say something.

00:01:53:18 – 00:02:06:21
Unknown
I can bring up the first one that I was really excited about where we’re filming this on a Friday. Yesterday was the game awards and they they dropped the trailer for a telltale game starring Kwamena Drummer, which I think is really cool.

00:02:06:27 – 00:02:22:03
Unknown
I’ve always been a big fan of the Telltale Games I love kind of like narrative games like that like stuff software kind of. Choose your own adventure novels, you know, virtual. So I was really excited that Telltale is coming back and that they chose The Expanse as an IP to to select for that, it’s going to be

00:02:22:03 – 00:02:36:21
Unknown
really cool. I just wanted to quickly read a synopsis for that here. It says in the near future, on the outskirts on the outskirts of the asteroid belt, a bloody mutiny breaks loose on the artemus. You take the role of XO Commune, a drummer where your choices determine the fate of the ship.

00:02:36:29 – 00:02:49:05
Unknown
What will you do with the truth, boss man? So it definitely looks really interesting. So it’s going to be really fun to see that there. And then, Danny, did you want to tell him about the news from from the book side of things?

00:02:50:06 – 00:03:07:06
Unknown
Yeah, so they just released the final book in the series and the series of nine. And I I I’m really excited to read it. A lot of this was, I believe, last week, maybe just over a week ago that it came out.

00:03:07:12 – 00:03:31:03
Unknown
And to to prevent any kind of spoilers out of here, I won’t even tell you guys the title of the book. But it definitely gives you a full circle moment. I’ll say that. And and with just how this series has taken hold of people from the last decade, James S.A., Corey, this combination of authors, I’m excited to

00:03:31:03 – 00:03:47:21
Unknown
see how they finish it up and just what this might mean for The Expanse beyond season six. Potentially so lots of good stuff. Check it out. The books are good, and I’m excited to see how they concluded. All right, guys, we’re going to go ahead and get into our general feelings on episode.

00:03:47:21 – 00:04:02:18
Unknown
We did check out episode one. Can you tell us what the title the director and writer for episode one are? Yes. So Episode 601. It’s called Strange Dogs, and it was written by Noreen Shankar, and it was directed by Breck Eisner.

00:04:03:10 – 00:04:15:02
Unknown
And I also believe that Strange Dogs is the title of one of the novellas that they wrote. So one of the little side stories that James S.A. Corey wrote for The Expanse? Well, so that’s pretty cool. All right, awesome.

00:04:15:03 – 00:04:27:28
Unknown
Well, as far as general thoughts here, like kind of kind of just just coming off of watching the episode, what were your thoughts in the episode? And, you know, we can’t really rank it against anything else. But did you think it was kind of a fitting start to the season and did they kind of stick it, you

00:04:27:28 – 00:04:39:18
Unknown
know, for you that it did it go well? Yeah. So what’s what’s really interesting about it? And this may have to do with, like the novella and kind of what they’re setting up with this Laconia idea, and we’ll go more into detail with that, of course.

00:04:40:16 – 00:04:51:29
Unknown
I started off, I was like, Oh, what’s going on here I was, I was kind of like, I’m in a weird situation. I’m not quite sure what to make of what we’re looking at. We’ve got some alien life here, and I was like, Are we going to dove into that?

00:04:53:05 – 00:05:11:20
Unknown
And so that part was a little disturbing, and I’m curious to see what they’re going to do with that for the rest of the season. However, I’m a massive fan of Marco Engross, and so seeing the repercussions of the rocks and that he’s been throwing rocks for the last six months and Earth is trying to do that

00:05:11:21 – 00:05:29:00
Unknown
. All of that stuff really worked well for me. I liked that episode. I liked some of the angst that was there in the wake of Alex’s untimely demise. And I’d say the only the only little struggle that I had with the what the episode was fill up and will we’ll kind of get into fill up a little

00:05:29:00 – 00:05:42:20
Unknown
bit more later. But overall, I thought I thought it was a decent start to the season and I’m looking forward to what they have to do. What about you? What do you think? Yeah, no. I felt I felt very similarly about it as far as kind of kind of things that maybe, you know, we’ll talk about the

00:05:42:21 – 00:06:01:04
Unknown
Philip stuff later as well. But I think the main thing I noticed was how kind of tonally, it’s more somber, right? At least for this episode was and that feels fitting after how much carnage and chaos happened last season with everything that that went on there, especially like you said with Alex’s untimely passing as well.

00:06:01:04 – 00:06:16:22
Unknown
So I felt the weight of all that stuff that happened last season, and I think that’s kind of a sign of good writing where it’s like you. These things felt very consequential in this episode. Everyone kind of felt like they’re they’re just beaten down and everything is just everything is just, like, very bleak.

00:06:17:01 – 00:06:32:13
Unknown
So I definitely felt a tonal shift in the show in the first season here, and I’m thinking that’s probably going to continue and then hopefully start to pick up and kind of brighten towards the end of it. Maybe, who knows, maybe they just kind of go dark the whole season, but we’ll have to see.

00:06:32:13 – 00:06:41:16
Unknown
But I definitely enjoyed it. I thought it was a really good start. It had a lot of the stuff you want to see in an Expanse episode in there. So yeah, I’m really excited to see where the season goes from here.

00:06:42:07 – 00:06:59:14
Unknown
But guys, we’re going to go ahead and jump into our scene by scene recap here go a little more in-depth. So the show kind of starts out. We see a lush kind of kind of jungle world that seems very seems very alien to us in The Expanse.

00:06:59:26 – 00:07:15:07
Unknown
And there’s this little girl and she’s kind of seeing all these, these different aliens. I love aliens in these kind of things because I’m like, I’m like, as you know, biology nerd. So I like to see like how all of that, how they design them and stuff, and how they how the maybe the the climate or the

00:07:15:18 – 00:07:25:10
Unknown
properties of the planet that they’re on kind of inform their evolution. And I think that stuff is kind of cool. So I like when they’re well-thought out like that. I thought the CGI was really strong in the scene for this one as well.

00:07:25:10 – 00:07:41:02
Unknown
I thought it’s a very kind of small small set, so that probably helps with budget as well. But I thought the CGI was really good and she’s just kind of walking around and and hanging out with the these alien animals on this planet that we’re not sure like where it’s from.

00:07:41:14 – 00:07:57:07
Unknown
She sees like a kind of she calls it a dog in the bushes and goes over to it. And one of the the birds that’s there starts kind of flapping. And she grabs it and runs off, and then we get this amazing kind of crane shot up where they show this really awesome zoom out shot of everything

00:07:57:07 – 00:08:08:08
Unknown
and they show that we’re in Laconia and it shows that big structure, that protein molecule structure in the sky. What were your thoughts on this as far as the first scene in the show and kind of setting that up?

00:08:08:20 – 00:08:22:26
Unknown
And and yeah, what did you think about the scene overall? Yeah, as a as a set up scene, I thought it was it was strong because it brought that alien vibe back to the forefront. Season five was a really grounded character season.

00:08:22:26 – 00:08:40:03
Unknown
I felt like it was very much about interpersonal relationships and how that played a role in things. And so this gives me the the feeling of that payoff from the end of season five, where we see whatever that was go through the screen ship as they were headed towards Laconia.

00:08:40:15 – 00:08:52:19
Unknown
And so following back up on that, it’s like, Okay, cool. So this is alien planet. We know that there are people there who who have started to settle and they’re starting to, you know, figure out what’s what this world is about.

00:08:53:11 – 00:09:06:25
Unknown
And I think I think the reason why that was strong for me as a as an opener was because it reminds us that, hey, this whole protein molecules storyline that the show started out on, we haven’t forgotten about it and there is going to be a payoff for it at some point.

00:09:07:05 – 00:09:23:04
Unknown
And so having that be the reintroduction in your final season is something that makes me believe that’s at least something that we are going to get some sort of payoff for. Obviously, there’s three more books past this one that this season is adapting, but I like that I thought it was strong.

00:09:23:04 – 00:09:41:01
Unknown
And of course, the protein molecule is that element of science fantasy that that kind of hooks you as a underlying theme or or storyline throughout throughout The Expanse. So I like I thought it was a strong scene, and I’m curious to see how they’re going to play that.

00:09:41:06 – 00:09:54:25
Unknown
The show goes into the intro sequence, which is really refreshing to hear. After all this time it was cool. Just just getting the intro sequence back. It seemed to be spliced with more information about kind of show showing the attacks and the and all that kind of stuff throughout the intro sequence.

00:09:54:25 – 00:10:12:27
Unknown
And then the episode opens after the intro with kind of a kind of a newsreel of the kind of catching us up on the geopolitics of the time. You know that that they’re coming to it. So it looks like obviously it’s showing the devastation on Earth, all the different heads and what they’re kind of dealing with on

00:10:12:27 – 00:10:27:07
Unknown
Earth. It shows that the belt stations have all kind of rallied around Marcos, and the entire belt is kind of unified around Marko, aside from maybe some small factions that that that may rear up later, especially specifically drummer and stuff as well.

00:10:28:06 – 00:10:53:06
Unknown
But it seems like all of the big stations have rallied around Marco. And yeah, it’s it’s in. They all control the ring gates and stuff as well here. And then it goes to Earth and we get our first shot at Abu Sarala, and she is now the madam secretary of the U.N. and she’s taking stock of a

00:10:53:06 – 00:11:04:06
Unknown
dying biosphere. What it seems like. So it seems like the Earth is is really taking a beating from all these rocks that are being thrown from the OPA and Marco and Arrows or the Free Navy. I’m sorry, Marco and arrows.

00:11:04:21 – 00:11:19:08
Unknown
And she says the biosphere is dying and that they’re there really kind of undermanned. They’re trying to build warships as fast as possible to to try to combat that there. What do you think of the whole newsreel footage?

00:11:19:08 – 00:11:35:26
Unknown
And then also the scene with Bobby and an Avasarala and kind of the knowledge that Earth is is taking taken a huge a huge hit as far as its longevity and bio its biosphere. That’s what she’s saying. So I.

00:11:36:09 – 00:11:56:14
Unknown
So fun fact about me, I am a sucker for news updates in the beginning of movies to set for what’s happening. And knowing that there is a six month time skip between the end of season five and the start of season six, I loved seeing that kind of stuff because the idea that there was a that there

00:11:56:14 – 00:12:11:23
Unknown
have essentially been six months of these space driven terrorist attacks, and as the world is trying to respond that moment where it’s like Rossi joins the fight. I was hyped because I was like, All right, cool. So we got the Rossi crew and they’re in there.

00:12:11:23 – 00:12:22:02
Unknown
It was like a smash opening. You know it. Just it just completely kind of got me hyped for the season. Yeah, I like that. I think I’m a sucker for it. And just every time it’s it’s a great job of setting the table.

00:12:22:02 – 00:12:30:09
Unknown
It’s just like the season starting. And this is a really efficient way for us to say this is the chessboard here and these are where the pieces are right now. And this is kind of like where everything stacks up.

00:12:30:09 – 00:12:41:27
Unknown
And then and then all of a sudden we’re into the we’re into the episode we can start, you know, it’s a really efficient way of doing that. And Avasarala is one of my favorite characters on the show, and I love her and Bobby’s relationship.

00:12:42:24 – 00:12:57:06
Unknown
And for her to be in the Mediterranean and have there be snow there and how to be like a nuclear winter, I believe she says it’s devastating and shows you what’s going on. And it makes me wonder, is Earth going to be habitable after all of this?

00:12:57:13 – 00:13:18:26
Unknown
Are they going to have to go through the ring gates at some point because Earth can’t sustain life anymore because of what Marco Engross has done? So it was an effective scene for me when it comes to setting the playing field of the devastation because we really only got like the after effects during during season five when

00:13:18:26 – 00:13:32:07
Unknown
we saw like Clarissa and Amos kind of going through as they were trekking to try and get back to Luna. But seeing how it’s affected Earth on the long term, yeah, I was I was all about that. Yeah, it’s really heavy.

00:13:32:07 – 00:13:44:10
Unknown
It’s just like in six months, like all the damage that was done. Like she was saying that it felt like it was a nuclear winter and stuff as well. So it’s a really, really dire straits for the Earth after everything that happened in the last, the last episode.

00:13:44:10 – 00:13:54:10
Unknown
And I guess these past six months, they’ve just been giving rocks hurled at them constantly. So it’ll be interesting to see how they come about that and figure out how to how to stop that there. It cuts from that scene, too.

00:13:54:10 – 00:14:10:05
Unknown
We jump right into a rocky firefight, which was cool to see. It’s like it was. It was fun to see that after all the time there we jump right into some rationality, actually onty action. And they are. It looks like they’re fighting a rogue free navy ship.

00:14:10:05 – 00:14:23:22
Unknown
I don’t know if it’s rogue, but they’re fighting like a singular free navy ship around an asteroid. They it gets a little hairy, but they end up getting that ship out, and then they start wondering why it’s kind of circling this asteroid.

00:14:23:22 – 00:14:38:23
Unknown
Like, what’s it what it’s doing out there? So they decide to start scanning it. And there’s there’s kind of some character stuff where Amos is having to go patch the ship up. I really, really liked the the shot of him going out on the rocky and then walking around it.

00:14:38:24 – 00:14:56:06
Unknown
I thought that was really cool. I love when they take. I love one sci fi shows lean into like the banality of of like life on a ship. You know what I mean? Like any kind of any time a sci fi, so kind of slows things down and kind of showcases more like more conventionally boring things and

00:14:56:06 – 00:15:10:23
Unknown
other shows like what it we just kind of be like a routine thing. It just makes the world feel so much richer to me. So I love when they do that, when they’re showing like Clarissa now and in and Amos kind of walking around the ship and fixing stuff and talking about kind of those nuts and bolts

00:15:10:23 – 00:15:25:19
Unknown
things in the show, taking the time to kind of let them let them do that and let them talk about that stuff. I think that really adds to like the world building of everything. To that point, I’m also a fan of that, and I love patching up the Rossie because it makes the Roxy feel like a character

00:15:26:17 – 00:15:40:02
Unknown
that needs to get some first aid as well. Especially after a battle. And so I like those little moments. Yeah, and you get in it showcases like the prop departments and all this stuff that work on the show, and they make so much cool stuff and really thoughtful the way things interact with each other.

00:15:40:02 – 00:15:53:28
Unknown
And, you know, obviously, I think everyone, it’s kind of a trope of the show to say it’s one of the most scientifically accurate shows, but everything, everything is just so well thought out as far as like like how, how things are designed and how the environments are designed and how the tools that they use work and all

00:15:53:28 – 00:16:10:01
Unknown
that kind of stuff. It all has a lot of thought behind it, which is really cool. They send a drone out to the asteroid and find that there are there’s a drive on the asteroid. So obviously they’re taking like ship drives, they’re sticking it to the asteroid and then they’re setting them off and firing them towards Earth

00:16:10:01 – 00:16:22:06
Unknown
, which I think is that explains where all these rocks are coming from. So once they kind of come to that realization, we snap over to series. This is our first time with series. Here we get introduced to Philip, who’s going through some things.

00:16:22:06 – 00:16:38:28
Unknown
He’s he’s kind of he’s lashing out and in particular ways, and we get Philip and Marco and Arrows. You said you really liked intros. I do, too. He’s one of my favorite characters as far as the new. Characters are concerned, I think the actor, Kian Alexander, the place him is like he does such a fantastic job.

00:16:38:28 – 00:16:54:26
Unknown
He’s got such charisma and gravitas and really commands attention on screen. I think he’s one of my. He’s one of my favorite new performers. I like. I like the main three, the main three on the Razzie. But he’s he’s he really he really like stands toe to toe with all of them in every scene that he’s in

00:16:54:26 – 00:17:13:27
Unknown
. So I think he does a really good job, but it introduces series and Marko is talking and this is really setting up that the belt is obviously stronger than ever, but they are really stretched thin with resources. So as he’s talking to her, and this was something they touched on late last season when they were saying, like

00:17:13:27 – 00:17:30:14
Unknown
, how are we going to? How are we going to feed and feed everybody and get enough water for everyone without Earth and Mars, without their help now? They are trying to build out these the facilities so that they can do that for their people, but they’re obviously stretched extremely thin.

00:17:30:23 – 00:17:44:05
Unknown
And then it’s also setting up another thing I noticed, which is that Marco Marco is not very he’s he’s he’s not a good fit for like this kind of leadership. He’s he’s a rebel with nothing to rebel against right now.

00:17:44:05 – 00:17:56:27
Unknown
You know what I mean? So he’s kind of in he’s having an identity crisis as this leader where he he’s kind of a fighter, so he’s not really fit for this kind of role. But what did you think about this, this scene with with Phillip in them at the dinner table?

00:17:56:27 – 00:18:10:17
Unknown
And then also the last scene with the the asteroid and kind of finding out about the drives and how they’re kicking rocks toward Earth? Yeah, so so with with a drive in the asteroid, I really like that scene for 22 main reasons.

00:18:10:17 – 00:18:24:20
Unknown
The first one is it helps to establish Naomi as worrying about losing more people about his death is obviously haunting her. And so when when Jim was down there and she was just like, You need to be careful, you need to be careful.

00:18:25:22 – 00:18:40:22
Unknown
I was like, Oh yeah, she’s she’s going to have some some issues this season, especially after everything she’s been through. So I like that. And then I also liked it because my thought process was, how is he going to keep launching rocks like I knew he had the long term plan from season five, but he’s been doing

00:18:40:22 – 00:18:57:24
Unknown
this nonstop. How is this man knocking this out? And so the concept of, oh, they’re just like basically hot installing these drives and figure out how to fire them. I thought that was a really cool attack, too, to do from basically his guerrilla warfare tactics.

00:18:58:00 – 00:19:17:14
Unknown
It’s our unparalleled right now. And yeah, and I’m digging that hard core. But when it comes to being on series, that scene triggered me for one reason specifically, doors is dead. Mm-Hmm. And I was like, No, no, because I like it.

00:19:17:19 – 00:19:32:24
Unknown
I was curious to see how these two charismatic and yeah, why that would have been a really cool scene. Doors in in an hour. You know, going at it or whatever, I think, you know what I think. I think there was probably an intention to do that.

00:19:32:24 – 00:19:43:18
Unknown
I honestly, it probably came down to Jared Harris is such a busy actor now, like he’s in everything, and I feel like I feel like they just they probably couldn’t get him back. And they were like, Oh, we just got to, you know, we got it.

00:19:43:18 – 00:19:55:08
Unknown
That’s what I feel like it probably was, because he does feel like a weird it feels like him dying offscreen just kind of doesn’t feel as like, I don’t know. It doesn’t feel as consequential or satisfying, I guess.

00:19:55:08 – 00:20:13:25
Unknown
So, yeah, that’s that was a tough blow. I don’t know if you noticed something to series looks different, right? If you remember, like season one and stuff like that with when they were on series and everything, it looked a lot more kind of like diverse as far as like different industries and different like a lot of different

00:20:13:25 – 00:20:25:17
Unknown
stuff. It felt a lot more like a world, and this feels like it feels like a warehouse. You know what I mean? It feels extremely industrial, which which maybe makes sense if it’s if it’s kind of being used as like a military operation now.

00:20:26:24 – 00:20:39:18
Unknown
But yeah, I just notice how kind of how kind of different series looks, and it looks very kind of sparse and militaristic and industrial and stuff. Did you notice any like visual differences with the with series station? From what we’ve seen before?

00:20:40:04 – 00:20:58:26
Unknown
Yeah, the the the main thing for me with with how series look in season six as opposed to some of the earlier seasons, was that it just felt that Marco’s influence there and Cole, hey, this is going to be the home of the belt for it not to feel very homely.

00:20:59:09 – 00:21:16:03
Unknown
Yeah, what an irony that I enjoyed it. I feel a little spacious. It did feel less. I’ll stay grounded and making the Belcher’s feel at home and definitely more felt like a room wide enough for his ego. Yeah, yeah.

00:21:16:13 – 00:21:35:12
Unknown
Oh yeah, it felt. Yeah, I felt very sparse. And yeah, that totally makes sense. We get introduced to a new character whose names go in from what it says here, but he’s the kind of fast talking friend of Philip with the alligator skin vest, just the straight drip of the alligator skin just to invest that he’s very

00:21:35:12 – 00:21:48:11
Unknown
, very proud of. And he’s kind of Philip’s partner in this hedonistic stuff that they’re dealing with. So he’s kind of his his kind of partner for all that stuff we get introduced to him. And what did you think of?

00:21:48:11 – 00:21:58:24
Unknown
So they’re introducing Philip. He’s obviously he seems to be going through a phase, I guess would be a good way to put it. But he’s he’s he’s dealing with some stuff that I think is revealed later on in the episode.

00:21:58:24 – 00:22:11:01
Unknown
As far as like maybe what’s going on with him subconsciously. But what were your initial thoughts about his, his character introduction and maybe what he’s did you automatically think? Maybe he’s dealing with some, some guilt and kind of lashing out in kind of a more destructive manner?

00:22:11:20 – 00:22:36:19
Unknown
When you initially saw. Yeah, honestly. Absolutely. Philip has always been a man to a child torn between two views. Whether it was his father’s or his mother’s or his father’s or his own, and when he made all those decisions in previous seasons to do what his father taught him and how that had boosted him, the way that

00:22:36:19 – 00:22:54:06
Unknown
his father can rip him apart and build him back up so that he only believes that he was worth something to Marco and then killing millions being responsible for that. He’s he’s a kid, you know, and he he’s a kid becoming a man, and he’s dealing with a lot of changes anyway.

00:22:54:07 – 00:23:10:25
Unknown
And so when you are this prince of the new free navy and you can do anything that you want to do and you’re wrestling with that little bit of humanity that your mom had kind of instilled in you and reminded you of, there’s there’s going to be some conflict.

00:23:10:25 – 00:23:23:00
Unknown
There’s there’s going to be that internal turmoil that is reflected in the external action. And so I I knew that’s kind of where they’re going with that. I didn’t know if Philip was going to recognize that himself in this episode.

00:23:23:01 – 00:23:32:23
Unknown
I think, like you said, too, it comes down to like, I think he didn’t have agency. He didn’t. He’s never had any kind of agency before. Any time he was doing something, he was doing something in service of something his father was, was trying for.

00:23:32:23 – 00:23:50:28
Unknown
Or he was he was kind of trying to fill a void that his mother left behind is constantly he’s constantly been in that in that state. So I think this whole phase is just him, him trying to assert himself and have some agency for stuff, and he’s just doing it in a very, a very kind of obnoxious

00:23:50:28 – 00:24:04:29
Unknown
way. I guess I was wondering where they were going to go with it, if it was something where it was kind of guilt manifesting in that way, which which they’d kind of reveal later in the episode there. But walking around the ship, there’s a lot of the Belters just start chanting Marco’s name, and he gives kind of

00:24:04:29 – 00:24:23:00
Unknown
a riveting speech about series was always a home for Belters and was never meant for Mars or Earthers. They were just kind of visitors there. This was always our home and kind of his rallying the troops there in series and another really stirring speech from the from the actor that plays Marco as well.

00:24:23:28 – 00:24:45:09
Unknown
I thought that was a really good scene. It goes to we’re back on drummer’s ships, so we’re back with half of the poly fam here. So they are. It looks like they’re trying to scavenge. So they’re trying to scavenge a they’re trying to ambush a scavenging ship that’s coming through and it does not go well.

00:24:45:09 – 00:25:00:12
Unknown
There’s the character. Michaux, I think, is there. Is she a new character or was she in the last season? She was in the last season? I believe she was the one responsible for killing Carl when during that whole coup towards the final season.

00:25:00:25 – 00:25:12:11
Unknown
OK, yeah. So she’s she. I was this was this was weird to me, but she she she she didn’t. She all she had to do was push a button. I remember thinking like, Wow, like, it’s and it’s a big button, too.

00:25:12:12 – 00:25:28:15
Unknown
I remember looking at it like, it’s a really big button there, but they’re they’re trying to ambush attack this pirate, the scavenging ship that’s come in. And essentially they’re they’re acting as pirates, trying to get munitions, food and rations from ships now because they really don’t have a friend in the system anymore, like they’re belters, so they

00:25:28:15 – 00:25:44:14
Unknown
can’t go to Earth or Mars for assistance. And because they’ve turned their backs on on engross, they have no, they have no nation here, so they have no assistance. But yeah, they’re trying to shoot the ship. And then Qamishlo pushes the wrong button and it almost gets him killed.

00:25:44:21 – 00:25:55:15
Unknown
They get away, the ship explodes behind them, and they’re able to get away kind of scot free there. What did you think about this scene? The whole action sequence there? And then kind of Camino drummer’s introduction in this season?

00:25:55:15 – 00:26:08:08
Unknown
And where do you like? What do you think they’re setting up for her character in the season here? Yeah, I so I always loved Space Combat and The Expanse, so the concept of pirates is. Always a fun one to visit.

00:26:08:26 – 00:26:19:15
Unknown
I was so mad at me show I was like, I understand you’re going through something, but it is one. But it is not like what? She was, right? She was right there, like right next to it holding it.

00:26:19:15 – 00:26:32:29
Unknown
It’s like, Wait, wait, how do you how do you mess this up like that? I was, I was, I was. I was like, All right, girl, you need to go. Yeah, but but I love drummer. I love drummer lashing another one of my favorites on the show.

00:26:33:09 – 00:26:58:00
Unknown
And it was so difficult to watch last season as she was just pushed into basically uselessness when Carl was running the ship for Marco. And to see Drummer taking control again, I think was good, especially because the poly fam did split and so she had to become who she was meant to be.

00:26:58:20 – 00:27:15:15
Unknown
But it was after a loss, and so I’m hoping to see a little bit more assertiveness from Drummer then, because she’s not a character who just sits down. She’s she’s got a fire, she’s got spice to her hand, and I want to see her progress with that.

00:27:15:22 – 00:27:27:17
Unknown
And I’m hoping this will be a return to form for her and kind of with what ends up happening and what she suggests for me. I think I think that might be the drummer that we’re getting this season.

00:27:27:26 – 00:27:44:03
Unknown
Yeah, I think they, you know, she’s she’s always been so principled and in in kind of dealing with that and wanted her to be more assertive, but at the same time, realizing how much she’s already lost, like she says in the episode as well, and how that how that kind of that inner conflict of I need to

00:27:44:03 – 00:27:56:27
Unknown
be the captain of the ship, but I’m trying to keep a family together is going to be a fine kind of tension for them to play with throughout the season here. I also think they’re setting up a cool parallel between I think Carina and Naomi are going to have very kind of similar arcs.

00:27:57:06 – 00:28:10:12
Unknown
They both just lost so much in this last in this last season with their family and then their nation or not their nation, but their family. And like their people, they’re they’re kind of, you know, ostracized from their, from their, from their own people.

00:28:10:20 – 00:28:26:08
Unknown
And then with Naomi losing her friend, I forget the guy’s name, but they’re her really good friend on when she when she jumped out of the the ship in last season and then losing Alex and kind of in kind of being terrified of losing anybody else.

00:28:26:08 – 00:28:45:18
Unknown
I think they’re both very similar emotional positions right now. So it’s going to be cool to see if they kind of mirror each other throughout the season as well. Let’s see. So we go back to Naomi and Holden, they are investigating the drive on the on the asteroid and there’s kind of it’s it’s kind of a crudely

00:28:46:01 – 00:29:06:02
Unknown
set trap that the builders are doing to send send these asteroids to Earth and holding goes to the box to try to disarm it. And he ends up triggering it. There are a couple notes I had about this scene where I really I really like the POV shots that they do and like the helmets and stuff as

00:29:06:02 – 00:29:20:05
Unknown
he’s like floating down to the surface and they take they really take a lot of a lot of care and time to show those kind of, like I said, more more kind of banal shots. They’re not as sexy and not as like perfectly composed shots from a distance.

00:29:20:05 – 00:29:34:25
Unknown
It’s very it’s very gritty and blue-collar. And I think that’s been kind of a that’s kind of been a feeling that shows perpetuated for its entire run. And I think that’s what a lot of people like, and it’s even accentuated more here when the drive starts going.

00:29:34:25 – 00:29:51:26
Unknown
And even in this future, it’s still it’s still completely viable to just hit shit and make it work. You know what I mean? Yeah, no matter how intricate or like complex all of this technology is, if you just take a wrench to something enough times, it’s going to work.

00:29:51:26 – 00:30:04:19
Unknown
You know, it’s going to or it’s going to not work. Whatever, whatever you’re trying to get it, get it to do so. I thought that was a really good scene there. I like the visual of the ticking time clock in this one of like, Oh, this is things about to go off.

00:30:04:19 – 00:30:14:01
Unknown
Was that wrench being magnetized to the thing faster and faster? I thought that was a really cool visual way of showing essentially, like in most movies, it would just be a ticking clock with a bomb on it, you know?

00:30:14:01 – 00:30:27:17
Unknown
But in this one, it’s I like the way they kind of visualize that by having the wrench go there. And then Naomi, once it starts going up, is telling him she’s she. She’s terrified to lose anybody, so she’s telling him to just get away and he’s making the choice.

00:30:27:17 – 00:30:43:01
Unknown
Like, I didn’t really have much time, so I he banged it and got it to stop there. Did you have any thoughts about that, about that scene at all with with that, that whole interaction between Holden and Naomi in the whole scene of him going down and trying to diffuse that drive?

00:30:43:02 – 00:30:57:13
Unknown
Yeah. So I also geeked out about the way that they showed the UI because of the little detail was they were treating it like you were Holden, and you could see like Holden’s reflection just faintly in the UI.

00:30:57:27 – 00:31:16:11
Unknown
And so that was just, yeah, I love that. Yeah. And I was a fan of I thought that was cool. But what I enjoyed about that Naomi Holden scene, I. He was young trying to bang this thing and get rid of the box was you got to understand the underlying tension that had been there in that relationship

00:31:16:18 – 00:31:27:20
Unknown
for the past six months. Like everything that she did, they got her back. They, you know, she was dealing with the death of Alex and whatnot. And so then you take the man that she loves puts him out on this place.

00:31:27:20 – 00:31:47:16
Unknown
They there’s, I believe Marco has a bounty on them and drummer. So you put all that together and then he’s out here banging on this thing that could kill him. And so, you know, she’s just got a lot going on and he being Holden is going to try and do the hero thing and just fix this thing

00:31:47:16 – 00:32:01:15
Unknown
anyway or get rid of this thing anyway. And so I thought the same was true to both characters and felt like a microcosm of probably what their relationship had been like for the last six months. Yeah, I think it’s setting is setting up something for the entire crew to.

00:32:01:15 – 00:32:14:10
Unknown
I think the entire crew is just tired and they’re really sick of these constant scrapes with death. You know what I mean? They just feel like the entire crew just feels like they’re over it and they’re just like, I’m sick of being in these situations constantly.

00:32:14:20 – 00:32:28:13
Unknown
And I like that this show is leaning into that and saying, like, Yeah, they’ve been through so since season one, they’ve just been in this constant state of like, we’re almost about to die or we’re trying to save something and you can finally see it really start to wear on them where they’re just like, I’m so tired

00:32:28:13 – 00:32:43:07
Unknown
of this, like I’m so tired of like being in this situation. So I thought that was really, really well represented there. The scene goes to they’re setting up a tense dynamic between Clarissa Maoh and Naomi. Specifically, I’m not sure if Holden’s included in that.

00:32:43:07 – 00:32:55:11
Unknown
They haven’t really showed the interaction between Clarissa and Holden either, but I did notice that early in the episode, it seemed like Amos was the only one talking to her. So I really started feeling that, like I started feeling that kind of tension immediately.

00:32:55:19 – 00:33:08:14
Unknown
But yeah, it kind of explodes where I think Naomi feels like Amos is trying to replace Alice with Clarissa and and doesn’t trust her at all, which is kind of understandable. I totally kind of get that actually, they wouldn’t trust her there.

00:33:09:11 – 00:33:24:02
Unknown
And then Amos is trying to trying to fight for and say, she’s a different person, what they’ve been through, and she deserves a second chance. So it seems like that’s going to be a big sticking point in the crew in a big kind of point of tension on the Ross and aunty, is Clarissa kind of weaving in

00:33:24:02 – 00:33:36:21
Unknown
with the crew and trying to find her space, find her place and trying to find how to interact with Naomi and and hold in there? The one other note I had about the scene, too was obviously Amos and Naomi have a have a standoff.

00:33:36:22 – 00:33:46:21
Unknown
I just love, I think what I love about the show is that she’s the only person that can talk to him like that, you know what I mean? And like, he doesn’t even he doesn’t like he doesn’t blow up about it.

00:33:46:21 – 00:33:59:27
Unknown
He doesn’t. It’s just like there’s such an intense respect that she can that they can talk to each other in that manner. And and they I just remember thinking, like anybody else says that to Amos. And it’s not it’s not going well.

00:33:59:27 – 00:34:09:26
Unknown
You know, Nathan, she’s like the one person in the show. She’s the one person the show can get away with kind of kind of yelling and talking to him like that. So I thought that was a really interesting point there.

00:34:10:09 – 00:34:29:28
Unknown
The Clarissa MWR interaction with Naomi. You can tell that Clarissa understands her. Let’s call it a complex history with the Résidence crew and with with the way that they allowed her to stay on there because of Amos. You can.

00:34:29:28 – 00:34:44:24
Unknown
You can kind of see that they’re like, OK, Amos wants to do this. So we’ll do it because it’s Amos. But Naomi dealing with what she probably feels like is guilt from Alex dying because he rescued her and stroked out while he was rescuing her.

00:34:45:05 – 00:35:00:22
Unknown
Mm hmm. And then to have the fourth member of their crew be this person who tried to kill, hold it. There’s there’s a lot of dynamic there. And yeah, she she she didn’t experience Clarissa. Cross cross-country is actually Amos.

00:35:01:19 – 00:35:15:11
Unknown
And so what reason was she had to trust? Although six months is a long time. So if if she had been trying this entire time, she’s going to be said in her ways. Like you, I get it. I absolutely get it.

00:35:15:16 – 00:35:26:04
Unknown
And I think part of that relationship that she has with Amos. The only reason she’s even putting up with Clarissa being there is because of that close knit relationship. So I think I think it’s interesting because it works both ways.

00:35:26:05 – 00:35:39:27
Unknown
Yeah. If you just put yourself in her shoes for a second, it’s like if you can imagine going through the loss that she’s already gone through, where she’s in her kind of showing how scared she was with holding being in that situation, with where the drive almost went off and how scared she was to potentially lose someone

00:35:39:27 – 00:35:53:29
Unknown
else. You’re living in close quarters with somebody that tried to kill Holden already, so it’s like you can imagine the anxiety and kind of like dread that she’s constantly probably dealing with having this person that she doesn’t trust on the ship while they’re kind of going through these things.

00:35:53:29 – 00:36:04:02
Unknown
And like I can imagine, like if that’s your living situation, that would obviously put a lot, a lot of stress on on you as a as a as a person. So I think that’s I think that’s fitting she would feel that way.

00:36:05:19 – 00:36:19:04
Unknown
It goes to. We’re back to drummer and drummer is talking with her second in command, Joseph, and he’s telling her that Michaud needs to go. She is she. If you can’t push a button, you have to get the exit.

00:36:19:04 – 00:36:31:06
Unknown
You know what I mean? You have to have to show you the exit door. If you if you’re if you had one job and one job was to stick your finger on a bigger button than your finger, then you should probably dip out.

00:36:31:06 – 00:36:44:06
Unknown
So he’s kind of telling her she needs to go. Drummer is saying We’ve already lost so much she’s trying to maintain her family, but she eventually does tell her that they’re going to drop her off at a station and kind of keep her safe until it’s all over.

00:36:44:15 – 00:37:01:15
Unknown
But I can. I can definitely feel like these. These these kind of captain decisions in lieu of her family are something that’s going to bottle up in drummer. I think that’s going to happen in the season where she’s going to continue to kind of choose these logical, practical solutions over over her family over and over again.

00:37:01:15 – 00:37:15:17
Unknown
And eventually that’s going to have some kind of breaking point there. So definitely see that occurring in her character then too early to make a prediction. Is it too early at this stage? Well, if you if you want to just make a mental note of it, once we get to the production phase, what you can do is

00:37:15:18 – 00:37:32:21
Unknown
go ahead, throw it in there because I had a I had one about drummer as well as kind of an emotional scene where she has to say goodbye to them that we go to. We go back to series and we get a scene where the 22 kind of young, brash kids, Philip and Yohan, I think is his

00:37:32:21 – 00:37:52:26
Unknown
name are kind of bragging about their their terrorist exploits and kind of a kind of trying to get in these girls good side in this scene. He starts talking about that, that he was part of the fight on the ring gates and that Philip was obviously integral in the asteroids, in the millions of people that died on

00:37:52:26 – 00:38:05:06
Unknown
on Earth. And you can see that starts to kind of bother Philip as they’re talking about it. It’s just kind of establishing that there a lot of these belters are really proud of what happened and and Philip is not he you can definitely tell he’s these are kind of wearing on him.

00:38:05:06 – 00:38:19:22
Unknown
He doesn’t feel like he’s worthy of being called a hero, maybe, and he’s lashing out about that. What do you think of those two scenes with as far as drummer and her family and stuff? And then these these kind of these kind of brash kids kind of bragging about, you know, being terrorists and stuff like that and

00:38:19:22 – 00:38:44:11
Unknown
Phillips kind of internal turmoil about that drummer’s storyline as she is trying to cut the umbilical cords and saying, we’ll pick you up later. It’s that’s that’s a nerve wracking ideal. And and I worry, I worry for what that will mean for drummer and her people over the next few few episodes, that is for sure.

00:38:44:11 – 00:38:59:19
Unknown
Yeah. But it was something that needed to be said, though, because Michaud, whether or not she loves her family, she she can’t be there right now. She’s she’s struggling with like a PTSD or she’s shell-shocked and she can’t.

00:39:00:06 – 00:39:12:20
Unknown
War isn’t for her as opposed to the other guy whose name. I can’t figure out what to say. It’s Joseph or something. But he he was like, Look, I, I can do this. So I like the I like that scene.

00:39:12:20 – 00:39:34:12
Unknown
I liked what it’s set up. As for the Philip stuff and Jon, what? I like the little detail of him getting tattoos for, like every attack that I thought that was just like one of those details where I was like, Yes, it’s kind of a Jarhead type movie where you would do that and and have it as

00:39:34:12 – 00:39:56:08
Unknown
your exploits, especially if you’re young and you feel like I am the revolution. Mm-Hmm. It makes sense that he would do that and use that to impress women. But I like that fill up. Him leaving, there was him kind of snapping out of that, that darling that he had and recognizing like, maybe I need to do something

00:39:56:08 – 00:40:10:27
Unknown
else because this isn’t this isn’t fun anymore. I can’t distract myself. Now we’re forced to talk about it when before I can just lean into all this stuff, all the physical stuff, you know, whether it’s women or drinking or whatever it’s going to be.

00:40:11:01 – 00:40:24:29
Unknown
I can lean into that without worrying about how I feel about things for real. Yet is this this episode? I wish, I wish? I was like, I wish we were big enough that I had like a better help sponsor, because this episode is chock full of people that could really use some therapy.

00:40:25:06 – 00:40:40:24
Unknown
You know what I mean? Like, when it feels like therapy would be a big, a big boon for Naomi Carmina. Fill up. All of these people really need to get some things worked out, right? And Philip Philip, especially like you said his he’s snapping out of the numbing was a good way to put it, where he’s constantly

00:40:40:24 – 00:40:53:00
Unknown
just using girls and drinks to kind of keep his mind off of what he did. And I think him having to kind of come to grips with that is when he when he really lashes out, he goes from that scene to we get Marco Rose.

00:40:53:00 – 00:41:08:10
Unknown
And it’s I think it’s his general that the the the kind of the woman that’s that’s his number two. It has like the eye tattoo. I don’t know if she’s like his XO or like his general. I’m not really sure what her her kind of position is, but that’s what she seems to be there.

00:41:08:10 – 00:41:20:14
Unknown
She seems to be making pretty high end decisions for him behind the scenes. So she seems like maybe his number two and she’s telling. I believe she’s telling him that they don’t have enough rations to kind of feed everyone on Ceres.

00:41:20:14 – 00:41:31:13
Unknown
So they’re they’re going to kind of they’re going to kind of screw over series a little bit and kind of leave, she says. You don’t owe these people anything. That’s what I remember from there is that is that was that your interpretation, too?

00:41:31:13 – 00:41:45:17
Unknown
I didn’t. I don’t know if I call it the dialog 100% correctly on that one, but that’s what it seemed to be. Yeah, from from what I was picking up on that scene, the food ration shortage was was one of those things where it’s like, Hey, what are we going to do?

00:41:45:17 – 00:42:02:20
Unknown
Are we going to make these rations smaller to give them out to people basically setting up that there are some actual problems going on you as the leader of this revolution, you’re going to need to do that. And I actually have more thoughts on this as well, but I’m going to wait until the end when we get

00:42:02:20 – 00:42:18:01
Unknown
into the predictions. Yeah, it also it was another scene that kind of highlighted his kind of I don’t want to say ineptitude, but his kind of his his indifference of this kind of position, it almost seems like he would rather leave this to someone else and then go, like, run the navy ships.

00:42:18:01 – 00:42:29:04
Unknown
You know what I mean? But because he’s such a symbolic leader for the belt, he can’t do that in that way. It kind of mirrors Avasarala, who’s in the same kind of position where she’s like a symbolic leader for the secretary.

00:42:29:16 – 00:42:39:25
Unknown
You know, of the U.N. now, but that position comes with a lot less flexibility of like being able to actually do things that matter on the front lines. And I think they’re both kind of feeling the weight of that.

00:42:39:25 – 00:42:55:07
Unknown
So I think they’re kind of setting them up as foils in this year, in the season there where they’re both kind of on either sides of it wishing that they were kind of on the front lines there. It goes back to the resonance where Naomi makes a discovery.

00:42:57:05 – 00:43:12:27
Unknown
He says that the the the drive signature there, she was able to kind of triangulate a frequency that was that was used to activate it. And then she pinged that frequency off of other like when it was used previously.

00:43:13:04 – 00:43:27:01
Unknown
And they found a whole bunch of different rocks that have a lot of these same kind of drives connected to them. And then the signal that was giving those drives that was that was providing the signal for those drives seems to be a ship that was orbiting in a consistent orbit.

00:43:27:01 – 00:43:39:13
Unknown
So they found this spotter ship, I think, is what he called it. I love the they’re setting the stage for a big ship showdown that I think is going to be really fun. I don’t know if it’s going to be late like mid-season or it’s going to be kind of the midpoint or something like that.

00:43:39:13 – 00:43:56:04
Unknown
But they’re setting up the resonance versus the Azure Dragon, and that’s going to be a pretty cool fight. It’s what it seems like. So at least that’s that seems like it’s setting the stage for that. But yeah, there’s this spotter ship that’s essentially sending out these signals to these asteroids and shooting rocks at Earth.

00:43:56:04 – 00:44:05:16
Unknown
So they’re able to take off that sponsorship. They’re able to heavily limit the amount of rocks being sent at Earth, which would kind of get the boot off of their necks so that they can maybe make a go of something after that.

00:44:06:04 – 00:44:20:14
Unknown
I thought that was a cool again. The show has been so grounded about the logic of how these things work, how these kind of machinations work between between the foes and and allies there. So I thought that was cool, that there’s a spotter ship in the way they do the drives in the asteroids.

00:44:20:15 – 00:44:39:16
Unknown
It all makes sense. Like you said, it’s very elegant guerilla warfare where it feels like there it feels very high brow and how and well thought out and all that kind of stuff. It goes back to Luna. We’re well, we’re we’re on a ship probably orbiting Luna here, but Monica is the reporter that we’ve been seeing the

00:44:39:16 – 00:45:00:27
Unknown
past couple of seasons. She kind of lights into Avasarala seeing that, I think, I think the point of her conversation. Was there are colonists that are on these ring colonies and that because he’s guarding the ring gates, they don’t really they have no communication with those people and that they could be using them as like indentured servitude

00:45:00:27 – 00:45:15:01
Unknown
or something like that and and labor in that she thinks that they should at least entertain the idea of a peace treaty with Marco. And Christian does not want anything to do with that. So she’s not even thinking about a peace treaty at all.

00:45:15:01 – 00:45:25:00
Unknown
She wants him in a casket. So it’s kind of setting that up and putting the thought in her ear, and she’s getting the inception of like, maybe I should make some kind of peace with Marco, and she’s kind of fighting it right now.

00:45:25:01 – 00:45:39:16
Unknown
What did you think about the scenes, those those scenes there with them finding the spotter ship and kind of that plan that they’re going to go take out the spotter ship in the Azure Dragon showdown? And then also about the idea of of maybe a possible peace treaty?

00:45:39:17 – 00:46:04:09
Unknown
And do you think that’s something that might that that might kind of rear its head later in the season? So I love that whole sponsorship concept. It makes perfect sense to me that you’re essentially sitting out there, especially knowing that Marco has access to Marchionne’s stealth tech, the idea that there’s a ship running dark in an orbit

00:46:04:14 – 00:46:19:14
Unknown
so that when they see a hole in Earth’s defenses, they can just launch rocks just without figure out without Earth’s figure out how they’re doing it. I thought that was genius of the idea that the Rossie is going to go and have have a little dogfight with them.

00:46:19:20 – 00:46:34:17
Unknown
Is that right? I think I think that’s probably another part of the reason why we started this show with two mechanics here with Clarissa and Amos and talk about passion of the Rossie because I could see that going to be a lot of holes.

00:46:35:17 – 00:46:48:15
Unknown
Not a whole, you know? Yeah. So I’ve definitely I’ve definitely hyped for that. And then the officer also, honestly, I think, just hit on all fired on all cylinders in this episode, just in general. But I really like the scene for a couple of reasons.

00:46:48:15 – 00:47:01:11
Unknown
one, Monica, I like her as a character. She’s tenacious. She she doesn’t give up. She’s willing to push the buttons as a reporter, but she has an amazing line. As a writer, I love this line where she was like, she talks to Bobby.

00:47:01:11 – 00:47:20:20
Unknown
She’s like, Can you remind her that she has constituents and not subjects? I’m like, Oh yeah, that’s a good line. That’s a good line. Yeah. And and I like that challenge. And when it comes to peace treaty, that idea of it, could that happen with Marco?

00:47:20:20 – 00:47:36:18
Unknown
I don’t know if we’re going to happen with Marco because of his pride. But I could see a situation where the people are Marco. Every day we are starting to maybe get a little anxious because food’s running short and others not great.

00:47:36:26 – 00:47:55:14
Unknown
And Earth has it, and Christian could potentially offer resources for a truce like there. There is that political element that could come into and where the Christian being such a hothead sometimes. I’m curious if her refusal is going to have some consequences.

00:47:55:26 – 00:48:12:12
Unknown
Yeah, I think it’s I think it’s probably, definitely maybe we can save it for predictions. But yeah, I think the peace treaty thing is going to be a bigger plot point as the show goes on. I think it’s going to be a point of a point of pressure on both sides, really, like you said.

00:48:12:19 – 00:48:25:23
Unknown
So I think that something is going to kind of rear its head later on. It goes from that scene. We’re going back to Philip. Philip is kind of at the height of his, his kind of despair and how he’s how he’s kind of dealing with his his guilt here.

00:48:26:06 – 00:48:41:29
Unknown
He goes back to the bar where he was kind of brushed aside by the bartender there and starts to kind of hit on her again when she denies his advances. He gets very angry and throws a shot glass at her, and then his friend Joan comes in clutch and tries to kind of walk him back to his

00:48:41:29 – 00:48:54:06
Unknown
apartment, and they end up getting in a scuffle and he shoots him kind of unprovoked. I mean, he does. He gets punched, but he just kind of pulls a gun and shoots him. It’s interesting. You know, maybe we can talk about that in predictions, too.

00:48:54:06 – 00:49:05:20
Unknown
As far as like what what are going to be the ramifications of this? I don’t even know if there’s going to be any because of who he is. But so in my opinion, the shooting that guy was, I need to I need some atonement.

00:49:06:05 – 00:49:18:00
Unknown
He’s almost trying to get punished. You know what I mean? So I feel like maybe that was a that was a kind of brash move, but it was a move of like, I need. I need to know that there are consequences to actions, you know?

00:49:18:00 – 00:49:33:11
Unknown
So I think that might be something that they they kind of address in the next episodes is maybe he gets off and then he gets even more mad because he did this thing, obviously, and he needs to atone for it and kind of not having consequences is going to kind of drive him crazy, I think might be

00:49:33:21 – 00:49:49:22
Unknown
something they they kind of bring up with him later in the season. There it goes from there, writes Aluna. We have Christian Avasarala, who is floating. I did like the contrast between maybe her dealing with the weight of leadership and her kind of feeling comfort in just kind of floating without she even says, like not being weighed

00:49:49:22 – 00:50:04:02
Unknown
down by the world. But you can tell that there’s a lot of she’s dealing with a lot of pressure, and this was kind of a visual way of of how she kind of maybe deals with that therapeutically. And then Bobby comes in, she tells Bobby that she’s doing a performance review and that her she’s she really hates

00:50:04:02 – 00:50:23:11
Unknown
her job and they both hate their job from what they’re saying there. And then Christian, I think Christian is setting up that she wants to send. I think she’s setting up that. She wants to send Bobby with the rationality to investigate this sponsorship because she knows that Bobby can be a lot more use in that kind of

00:50:23:11 – 00:50:37:24
Unknown
capacity than what she’s doing now. He gives a speech at the end saying that they really need to make a bold move if they want to kind of regain hope and try to get get their footing and kind of get back into this fight because right now they’re just kind of they’re kind of suffocating.

00:50:38:15 – 00:50:52:11
Unknown
So she she kind of makes a speech about that. They really need to make a big move and make something great happen and see she. To have an idea of what that is. What do you think of those two scenes, those the last those last few scenes of the episode there, the scene with Phillip at the bar

00:50:52:11 – 00:51:09:21
Unknown
and then Avasarala kind of giving her speech and floating in the office and stuff. Did you have any thoughts about those? Yeah, Philip is a man unraveling. Yeah. And and he he is just going off of whatever pops into his head right at that moment.

00:51:10:18 – 00:51:22:12
Unknown
He decides he wants the bartender to distract him. Then he’s going to do that when she kind of rebuffs him. He throws a drink and is like, Do you know who I am? Like, It’s like, like, I am the son of what?

00:51:22:12 – 00:51:43:11
Unknown
I’m a hero. Yeah, he’s throwing anything out there just to not feel something because he’s yelling stuff, and he hates that. He’s feeling stuff. And so then you have you have his friend. And when he shoots his friend, honestly, like, maybe I should have seen it coming, but it caught me off guard pretty, pretty heavily.

00:51:43:24 – 00:52:00:15
Unknown
I think his friends boasting and whatnot was going to be something that he was going to eventually like, rebuff and kind of call like, like, like, what if we are wrong? This is stuff that was so proud of, like, are we going to have a conversation about that and then shoot?

00:52:01:17 – 00:52:17:16
Unknown
And I was like, well, well, there you go. This at this point, if he’s shooting his friend that he was close to, there’s no way that he’s thinking this stuff through. Yeah, he going off of pure instinct. So the the the end scene.

00:52:18:26 – 00:52:36:13
Unknown
I really loved. I really loved. And I think this kind of blurs prediction. But I would love to see Bobby flying the Ross and Nancy think she’s the natural choice to replace Alex over there. And so the performance review line was was really funny, really charming.

00:52:36:27 – 00:53:00:21
Unknown
But they’re both right. They’re both right. And and for I was thrilled to understand that the nature of the person that she asked to be her, her side person was was good. It showed that she’s not. She’s a different Avasarala than she was at the beginning of the show, when she used to just hang belters under gravity

00:53:01:02 – 00:53:16:05
Unknown
. For all these different, she’s thinking about the consequences. She’s thinking, Where can I put my best people so that we can get this under control? So I’m glad to see an obvious Sarala who is more intelligent politically this time around, especially considering all the loss that she’s experienced.

00:53:16:05 – 00:53:26:20
Unknown
Yeah. Awesome, guys. Well, we’re going to go ahead and jump into some quick predictions here. I had a couple questions, so I’m going to start you off. I’m going to try to get a prediction out on this one.

00:53:26:27 – 00:53:41:23
Unknown
What is it that you think I Varela has in mind? Do you have any ideas as to what her plan may be? I kind of drew a blank, so I didn’t know if maybe you are, you had any idea of kind of what she might be planning that she says is going to be this big, bold move

00:53:41:23 – 00:54:02:08
Unknown
that she’s going to do. So my prediction is that it has to do with the ring gates. Because Marco, he owns so much territory with the Belcher’s so much disparate area that when they lost their there, they’re back up at the ring gate at the end of season five.

00:54:02:15 – 00:54:17:04
Unknown
That’s when they’ve lost their power. So Earth has been on their back foot for the last, however many months. And so the the the sponsorship concept of Sarala getting rid of Marco’s ability to hit them is is a good first step.

00:54:17:11 – 00:54:29:05
Unknown
But she’s going to have to get control. She needs leverage again. And so the idea of her doing something near the ring gates to basically be on the other side, maybe do a pincer situation, maybe got a tenant situation going on.

00:54:29:11 – 00:54:42:07
Unknown
Hmm. I could see something like that to try and crush those forces. But but she she needs to get off her back foot and then start going strong. Yeah, I think I think leverage is a good is definitely the way that she she wants to go.

00:54:42:08 – 00:54:53:01
Unknown
I think what it may manifest in and not there is not the ring gates, though, is once they take off a sponsorship, she may take a plane where she’s doing a targeted attack on those agriculture places where there are food resources and stock.

00:54:53:01 – 00:55:08:14
Unknown
Far because if those start going in the wrong direction, then he has really no choice but to ask for their assistance. So if if leverage is what they’re looking for, it feels like that would be the play is taking out those kind of resource depots that they’re trying to build up for for the belt.

00:55:08:14 – 00:55:22:26
Unknown
So that might be what she’s alluding to there. The other question I had is Where’s bull? Because I felt like in the last season they were setting him up to be kind of Alex’s. They even showed him like drinking the coffee with Alex’s mug and stuff, and I thought, Oh, maybe he’s going to be the new pilot

00:55:22:26 – 00:55:33:08
Unknown
for the thing, and we didn’t even see him in this episode. So what do you think’s going on with him? I don’t know. That’s tough because he did have an interesting kind of relationship with Holden in season five.

00:55:33:16 – 00:55:50:00
Unknown
And so it would he would have he would have made a great, great pilot there. You know, Bull is someone who doesn’t trust bouncers at all. So I can I can see a scenario where during that six month period of time, he’s put off running his own shit like, Well, then you run your ship the way you

00:55:50:00 – 00:56:02:15
Unknown
want to run mine, and it’s going to take out some of these, these belters and whatever. Yeah. So so what are these? What are your predictions here? So I have like I have like two that I can go over there.

00:56:03:00 – 00:56:25:24
Unknown
What was your prediction regarding Carmina? Because I think I can start there, too. I don’t know of drummers going to make it. Yeah. I like the idea of her leaving her family there and say, Yeah, we’ll come back for you, either either where she leaves them, they’re all going to die and she’s alone.

00:56:25:26 – 00:56:45:07
Unknown
Yeah. Or as as a continued cosmic retribution for the times that she failed to get rid of Marco when she should have, whether it was spacing him or listening to him and letting Carl run her ship for season five.

00:56:46:26 – 00:57:04:14
Unknown
That karma is going to catch up with her, and I could see her going out in a blaze of glory. She’s had a lot of close calls where where I thought she was done and I could see getting rid of Marco trying to make that right as as one of her her last moments.

00:57:04:24 – 00:57:18:11
Unknown
So maybe I’ll be heavily surprised if she makes it through the end of the season. Yeah, I think we could. Given what my prediction is, I think they could both be right, potentially. So I think my prediction was that I think Camino is going to have to square off against the other family that she had.

00:57:18:11 – 00:57:34:19
Unknown
So they may have joined on Marco. And I think she’s going to have to she’s going to have to. She’s going to be pitted against them in some way. And it makes sense that if she is kind of put in that really hard position that she may be sacrifices herself to, to avoid having to having to have

00:57:34:19 – 00:57:50:18
Unknown
a war between these, especially because they’re setting them up in this episode where she’s she’s saying like, I can’t lose more family members and kind of giving giving show up to the from the ship. So it could potentially be a situation where maybe she’s pitted in a situation where she has to choose between one or the other

00:57:50:18 – 00:58:04:14
Unknown
, and she decides to just choose her to take herself and then do that way. So I can definitely see that being like a kind of a swansong for her in that in that instance. But I, you know, to your point about a character that I don’t think is going to make it out of the season.

00:58:05:01 – 00:58:24:09
Unknown
I don’t think there’s a universe where at the end of season six, Phillips alive because I think, like with with obviously it’s Naomi Son and they seem to be setting up that maybe there is some festering humanity in him that’s that’s lashing out in this in in this way, and it’s making him not click with the Belters

00:58:24:09 – 00:58:35:25
Unknown
there. So he’s dealing with some potential humanity that might have been instilled in him by his mother. And it seems like they’re setting up a very long redemption arc with the way that this is starting with him shooting the guy at the bar and going through these things.

00:58:35:25 – 00:58:51:18
Unknown
And given that he coated the mist, the the asteroids and stealth tech, and it resulted in millions of people dying. I don’t see a way where his redemption arc doesn’t end with him making some kind of sacrifice of his life at the end to try to change something.

00:58:51:18 – 00:59:04:05
Unknown
I don’t I don’t see him like surviving. I don’t think like the show could justify him getting away with what happened on Earth. You know what I mean and his role in it? So that would probably be be my bit bold predictions.

00:59:04:06 – 00:59:16:25
Unknown
I don’t think Philip makes it out, I think. I think he’s probably going to have a big redemption arc and he’s going to be very integral in. However, this may be situates going forward, but I don’t. I think it’s going to be a sacrifice that he has to make there.

00:59:17:03 – 00:59:43:23
Unknown
Maybe this is just the the pessimistic writer in me. I could see a scenario where Philip decides that his mother is right, and maybe I don’t know if he helps her as some last ditch effort. But I could see a scenario where Marco is the one who pulls the trigger on Philip because he feels like his son

00:59:44:00 – 01:00:03:06
Unknown
abandoned their shared ideals and he’s no longer his son. Yeah. And whether that’s him getting spaced or Marco literally pull that trigger on his son. I could see that scenario playing out. Very, very true. Yeah. So look how abusive Marco has been.

01:00:04:08 – 01:00:15:08
Unknown
Yeah, absolutely. And how kind of how how detached he’s been from from relationships. He’s very just like, this is what it is. He doesn’t really care if they’re if they’re related or how kind of history they’ve had together.

01:00:15:17 – 01:00:26:07
Unknown
So, yeah, I could I could definitely see that happening as well. I think we’re going to get some backstory on hold in this season because last season was really fleshing out Naomi’s backstory with her family and Beth, her family, as well as Amos.

01:00:27:02 – 01:00:39:00
Unknown
But we didn’t get we didn’t get much about Holden, about his stuff there, and they did make a throwaway, not a throwaway line, but they did make a small line towards the end of last season that his family had had survived and gotten to Luna.

01:00:39:08 – 01:00:51:07
Unknown
So I think they’re going to kind of see the showcase, maybe some in this season, and maybe we’ll get some like some backstory on Holden, maybe a little fleshed out more. My other prediction was, I think the season’s going to end open ended.

01:00:51:11 – 01:01:05:07
Unknown
So my heart prediction is I think it’s going to be pretty open ended because I think they’re really I think they’re fairly confident that they’re going to get a movie potentially to kind of tie these things up. And I think they’re I don’t think it’s going to end like a series finale.

01:01:05:07 – 01:01:21:20
Unknown
I think it’s going to end with a little some loose strings there and hopes that maybe they can turn something else into that there. Did you have any other big predictions? My my final prediction is honestly what you just said about the open ended when I watched this opening and I saw there were six episodes in the

01:01:21:20 – 01:01:42:19
Unknown
season and I said to myself, I, I foresee a situation where this girl in Laconia and her storyline is something that is going to launch us into a series of movies. Because I think I think we’ll see the end of the Marco and Narcos scenario, and I think we’ll see like the death of Philip.

01:01:43:07 – 01:01:57:01
Unknown
But I do not think that some of the stuff that. We have set up specifically with the protein molecule. I don’t see that being resolved this season. I don’t. But I see them leading us like, Hey, there’s more story to tell.

01:01:57:05 – 01:02:10:20
Unknown
That’s what I. Yeah, if they were to if they were to wrap it up with Marco and Rose and the protein molecule, they would have to wrap up the Marco and rose thing like in four episodes or three episodes, and it doesn’t feel like that’s going to be the case.

01:02:11:00 – 01:02:22:07
Unknown
And then they would have to they would have to dedicate the last couple episodes to kind of like the big threat, which is the protein molecule and everything that’s going on on the Konia there. So yeah, I think the same thing too.

01:02:22:07 – 01:02:32:29
Unknown
It just seems like they would have to tie up the Marco stuff and then hit the protein molecule stuff. And I don’t think they have the I don’t think they have the the the runway to kind of do that in the season.

01:02:32:29 – 01:02:44:17
Unknown
So it seems like it seems like that’s probably going to be the case there. But yeah, that was that was season one or sorry, season six, episode one Strange Dogs. I had a lot of fun with this one here, guys.

01:02:44:18 – 01:02:58:26
Unknown
We are going to be back here next week, same time covering episode two. And if you guys want to follow, follow us. I do have Danny stuff linked in the description below. You can go to the Disney Viacom, where you can see my movie reviews and other podcasts.

01:02:58:26 – 01:03:09:27
Unknown
If you guys are watching the MCU show Hawkeye. You can definitely come in and have discussions with us on that show. We’re having a lot of fun doing that and kind of partaking in the Christmas traditions there, but that’s going to wrap it up for us here.

01:03:10:29 – 01:03:19:18
Unknown
I can’t wait for next week and to have you on next week, and we’ll talk about it then. But as always, guys discuss among yourselves, we’ll see you guys next week. Thanks, guys.

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