Hawkeye Episode 6: So This Is Christmas. Thank you ALL for spending your holiday season with us for Season 1 of Hawkeye! This week Nick and Jace breakdown the exciting events of the big finale! Kate confronts her mother, Kingpin asserts his dominance, and Yelena attempts to avenge her beloved sister. Can Clint make it home in time for Christmas?
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Episode Transcript
00:00:03:20 – 00:00:19:27
Unknown
What’s everybody season’s greetings and welcome back to the season finale of Discuss Hawkeye, where we’re going to be covering the season finale of Hawkeye. We’re finally at this stage here, episode six. As always, my name is Nick. I’m joined by my co-host Jess.
00:00:19:27 – 00:00:34:15
Unknown
How are you doing today, man? You’re an absolutely swell ready for the holiday season that is upon us. Man, I hope you’re ready as well. Oh, I am ready. We’ve been ready for a while, though we’ve been celebrating these holiday traditions here with the Barton family this entire season.
00:00:34:15 – 00:00:49:17
Unknown
So if you guys remember we did, we’ve done everything from letters to Santa. We’ve done an ugly sweater, parties, we’ve drank eggnog together and everything on stream. We’ve really been getting into the holiday spirit here on discuss Hawkeye, so make sure to check out those other episodes if you guys haven’t.
00:00:49:27 – 00:00:58:17
Unknown
But in this one, I thought in the spirit of Christmas, since this is the season finale, we’re going to go ahead and do a little gift exchange. So I’m going to go ahead and open this gift from Jace that he sent me.
00:00:59:03 – 00:01:11:05
Unknown
And we’ll see what we got here. Oh, cool. All right. So it looks like we’ve got a Hawkeye Christmas ornament from the looks of it. Let me see if I can get this open. Oh, this is awesome. It’s got a Little Avenger logo on the bottom.
00:01:11:15 – 00:01:24:02
Unknown
I don’t know if you guys can see this. Make sure it’s for the podcast people listening. It’s a it’s a Hawkeye ornament. He’s in his he’s kind of black suit. It’s got the little Avengers logo on the bottom, which is really cool.
00:01:24:02 – 00:01:33:21
Unknown
So I’ll make sure to throw this up on my Christmas tree later. But I appreciate it, man. Thanks a lot. Absolutely. I figured how befitting if anything, or just the fact that I was actually torn, I’m I’m not going to.
00:01:33:21 – 00:01:45:11
Unknown
I was going back and forth between that and just a pizza slice ornament, and I ended up feeling that that was much more fitting a tall guy. It’s Christmas, and it’s a way that now whenever you look at it, you’ll think about this phenomenal podcast we did together.
00:01:45:12 – 00:02:04:21
Unknown
Every year, every year I throw it up on the tree. I think about our awesome podcast and we got a little forever. Oh my gosh, man, this is phenomenal. Oh yes, I would say so. So for any of anybody on the podcast, I did send him to discuss Hawkeye postcard that you guys saw from, I think, episode
00:02:04:21 – 00:02:16:29
Unknown
three that we made. I got one of those printed and put in there, and then we got 1,000,000. There is familiar. Am I pronouncing that right? It is Thor’s hammer and it’s a it’s a it’s a beer bottle opener.
00:02:17:11 – 00:02:29:15
Unknown
So you use Thor’s hammer to open your beer, which makes you feel like a bad ass. This, I already feel so much more bad ass than I deservingly should just holding this right now because there’s no manly or way to open a beer.
00:02:29:15 – 00:02:44:29
Unknown
That’s what I thought. So thank you so much. And then open a drink for the rest of my life of it’s now with this awesome merry Christmas man, and I appreciate the gift. Let’s go ahead. And now that we’ve got that fun stuff out of the way, we’re going to go ahead and jump into the episode.
00:02:45:04 – 00:02:57:12
Unknown
You guys have been waiting and watched the season finale. I’m sure you guys are ready to hear our thoughts on that before we get started with our general overview. Just you know who wrote directed in the title for episode six, the season finale?
00:02:58:00 – 00:03:13:24
Unknown
Absolutely. So this season finale is going to be called So this is Christmas. It is directed by Rhys Thomas and is written by Jonathan Adler and Alisa Clement. What were your thoughts? What are your general thoughts on the season finale and where would you rank it with the other six episodes in the season all together?
00:03:14:04 – 00:03:30:05
Unknown
I will say this it’s very tough because episode three was still really, really good. I like so much about that. Dare I say, though, this could very much be at the top for me. As far as with the ratings, I would like to watch it again before I officially say that.
00:03:30:12 – 00:03:49:01
Unknown
But from first impressions, I am really happy to say that I was so happy with this finale. Out of all of the live action Disney Plus shows four MCU, I am most pleased with this finale, not because of, you know, I think some people are so drawn to spectacle.
00:03:49:01 – 00:04:03:07
Unknown
It’s got to be like the biggest, craziest thing. And what did they know? What kind of reveal do they have or did they tease at the multiverse or? No, it’s not so much that it’s because the way it fit the show, the rest of the show, the whole entirety of it, we’ve been keeping saying time and time
00:04:03:07 – 00:04:14:24
Unknown
again, it’s a grounded, realistic show for something that takes place in a world where aliens are invading and universes are colliding with each other. So it was really refreshing and nice to see it stayed consistent that whole entire time.
00:04:15:09 – 00:04:31:03
Unknown
And for a finale to capitalize on that without going overboard, staying true to what it’s been, and I just had a good time off the right. Honestly, man, I loved the action that was presented. I was laughing out loud a couple of times and there was some actual like, really genuine, good emotional parts too.
00:04:31:22 – 00:04:46:03
Unknown
So I can’t really say that there’s too much as a couple of like smaller issues that I have, but not really too much that I had is like a problem with this episode. Yeah, as always, I think we’ve been really ideologically aligned as far as like our thoughts on on these episodes so far, because I would I
00:04:46:03 – 00:04:56:13
Unknown
would say the same thing. It was between episode three, I think was I went on record and said it was my favorite MCU TV show, TV episode ever. Out of all of all the ones that they’ve done so far.
00:04:57:05 – 00:05:10:11
Unknown
But this one, and it’s really hard for me to decide between the two because I think this one was very, very well executed, extremely well done. It had so many, so much more big, like so much bigger stakes, I think, than episode three had.
00:05:10:11 – 00:05:21:19
Unknown
Episode three kind of had to get you into that act, too, and it did it in such a such an amazing way, in such an efficient way with with a with an amazing action set piece that I still think is probably the.
00:05:21:26 – 00:05:32:22
Unknown
In the show that that action set piece from episode three. But I think with the revelations and kind of how everything tied together and all the really big character moments that happen in this in this episode, it has to be up there.
00:05:32:29 – 00:05:52:03
Unknown
So again, I would I think if you, you know, I think I would still put three as my top at this right as like a one b, just because I think what three was able to do with a lot less reveals like character reveal stuff and for it to be that engaging in that that entertaining is is
00:05:52:04 – 00:06:04:10
Unknown
kind of a testament to how well done that episode was. So I would still probably give that the edge, but this one really stuck the landing and really came came out guns blazing. This episode was very, very fast paced, a lot of big revelations.
00:06:04:24 – 00:06:16:03
Unknown
Again, like you said, not you over the top, but there were some really, really big set pieces that felt like movie level in this in this TV show that I thought I thought were really great. So now we’ve got that stuff out of the way, guys.
00:06:16:03 – 00:06:30:24
Unknown
We’re going to go out and hop into our scene by scene recap here. The show. The season finale opens with a cane and some big, lumbering footsteps from somebody that was teased in the last in the end of the last episode.
00:06:30:24 – 00:06:50:23
Unknown
So this is going to be our first look at Vincent D’Onofrio as big, bold baddie kingpin as he comes into the into the room here, and he really commands the space in this and talks to Eleanor. Eleanor has called a meeting with him, and she’s he says that her daughter is getting a little too close and her
00:06:50:23 – 00:07:07:21
Unknown
daughter’s getting a little in the line of fire for lack of a better term. And she wants out. And there’s this great tense conversation between Eleanor and Kingpin. We also get some big, big kind of narrative reveals, which are she’s the one that kills Armand.
00:07:07:22 – 00:07:23:13
Unknown
She says that I killed Armand for you. She says that she put Jack up to take the fall for it, for Sloane. And she also says that her husband was in an insane amount of debt to Kingpin, which kind of set her on that path to begin with.
00:07:23:20 – 00:07:41:17
Unknown
So those were kind of the big three informational things that we got that really answered a lot of questions that we’ve had throughout the season. What did you think of this scene with Kingpin’s first introduction? Him kind of chewing that scenery and we finally get Vincent D’Onofrio back on the on the on the small screen and that
00:07:41:17 – 00:07:57:14
Unknown
interaction with Eleanor. I, if you can tell by the stupidly big smile that’s been on my face since you started describing this, I’m really happy to talk about this. He slipped back into that role like an old glove perfectly.
00:07:58:06 – 00:08:14:00
Unknown
I’m I’m so ecstatic that nothing about his static or his performance was changed or altered from when he was in the Netflix series. And also, I’m really happy that now for anybody that hasn’t been introduced to his iteration of the character before.
00:08:14:04 – 00:08:26:29
Unknown
What’s great is I can’t imagine that this scene episode as a whole would not make you want to see more of him. And it’s great because you can write if you happen to like this, then go back. There’s multiple seasons of him and Daredevil.
00:08:27:23 – 00:08:41:20
Unknown
And if you have seen Daredevil already, such as myself, then this is so nice to see him. Like, just like he’s never been off. Like, you would never swear that there was three years in a gap in between him not playing the character and playing it again.
00:08:42:22 – 00:08:57:05
Unknown
And I think that’s just a true testament to his performance. So that was phenomenal to see. And it’s it’s just as simplistic, but really, really good an effective scene. And then as far as on the flip side, with all the parts of revelations of Eleanor thought, that was nice to just get some confirmations, right?
00:08:57:05 – 00:09:08:02
Unknown
Kind of things that I think at this point, we we could all say like, yes, it’s everything but confirmed in words at this point, but it’s very suspicious. And it’s it’s just like kind of hinting at it a lot.
00:09:09:00 – 00:09:19:28
Unknown
I got to say, as far as for my own personal predictions, I was a little letdown because I thought, like I said, she was going to be his right hand girl, like kind of like they were actually going to be a couple or something like that.
00:09:20:04 – 00:09:32:10
Unknown
But I’m not like disappointed to the point where I thought, you know, they ruined anything. I think this fit very well trying to make up for the father’s death, not really wanting to be involved in the first place, kind of more so like forcibly into it.
00:09:32:17 – 00:09:49:03
Unknown
And then, yeah, just wanting to get out because of a pretty justifiable reason. I don’t want my kid involved with this. Yeah, it really gives her a kind of a redeemable, some redeemable qualities there where you realize that she was like, you took over a debt for you.
00:09:49:03 – 00:10:05:24
Unknown
first of all, you were widowed in the first episode. Then you took over a debt to one of the most scary guys in, you know, scary mafia bosses that you could think of and having to pay that back and maybe the concessions and the different kind of moral concessions that she made to make that happen for Kate
00:10:05:24 – 00:10:22:06
Unknown
. So it really kind of really understand where she’s coming from and you kind of understand her plight and her character’s plight there, which I think makes for a really great dynamic with her and Kate and makes for makes her really fleshes her character out and makes her not just a evil for the sake of being evil person
00:10:22:06 – 00:10:35:08
Unknown
, but somebody you can actually see the steps and kind of the falls that they took to get to where they’re at now. It went from that scene. We go back to Grill’s apartment, where Kate has just gotten that news and we see the fallout from that.
00:10:35:08 – 00:10:48:14
Unknown
She’s very distraught, feels emotionally betrayed. She tries to call her mom immediately before Clint says, Listen, you know you need to get a hold of yourself because that conversation that she had with the big guy is not is not going to go well.
00:10:48:14 – 00:10:58:20
Unknown
He’s going to hit back hard and you need to you need to worry about your mother’s safety at this point. So he kind of hits with that. And then we cut back to Kingpin’s office, which is very festively decorated.
00:10:59:03 – 00:11:16:16
Unknown
I love it. He has that. He has that torch. He’s he’s a he’s a guy who loves Christmas like all of us. He’s got this in his office or wherever he’s headquartered is very well decorated and Maya comes in and Maya, he’s kind of he’s kind of lighting into her because she’s he says she’s known for keeping
00:11:16:16 – 00:11:30:09
Unknown
a low profile and. He talks to her with sign language, which I thought was a really nice touch shows they’re kind of intimate relationship, and she’s been kind of a father figure for him throughout this whole, this whole thing.
00:11:30:22 – 00:11:49:10
Unknown
And she says, Look, it’s over, I’m done. She says, I just need a couple of days to clear my head, but I’m done with this whole Heintz and I’m ready to get back to work, essentially. And she leaves and he kind of looks at Karzai, and he says, he says everything that’s happening, everything that’s going wrong.
00:11:49:10 – 00:12:03:17
Unknown
He says, there’s an Avenger looking into my business. The Bishop woman just wants to leave as if she works at. I think he says Goldman Sachs or something. And then he says Maya now is turned on us and the guy says, yes, and he’s like, What are we going to do about it in this very menacing tone
00:12:04:20 – 00:12:18:10
Unknown
? What were your thoughts in those last two scenes with, with Kate finding out finally about her mother and Clint’s kind of resolve to have say, Listen, that’s not important right now. We really need to help her because she’s in, she’s in big trouble and her kind of finding out about that and trying to call her.
00:12:18:18 – 00:12:33:16
Unknown
Clint also says something that I did want to note before I kick it over to you, which is, he says, Listen, you’re my partner. I’m not going to leave until we get this thing figured out. He finally kind of acknowledges Kate as a partner and somebody that he’s he’s kind of he’s kind of teamed up with and
00:12:33:16 – 00:12:49:07
Unknown
worthy of his time. It was cool. I kind of mixed emotions, but it was cool to hear Clint say the whole like, Hey, you’re my partner. The only reason I have mixed emotions because I do feel like, I guess in the overall capacity of this, it’s a little rushed to go from how quickly he was like, no
00:12:49:07 – 00:12:58:22
Unknown
, go home and stay home to like, All right, I guess we are partners now. But for the sake of this show, you know, I was still happy to hear that it was nice to hear them finally just be on the same page with each other.
00:12:59:10 – 00:13:11:29
Unknown
But then going into that next scene with Kingpin and Kasi, I definitely liked a lot and might as well. Just because I agree with the sign. Language part showed more of an established relationship, especially because they start off because he’s like being the translator.
00:13:12:04 – 00:13:30:13
Unknown
So then the fact that he jumps in kind of further proves as far as how well connected they are, and I’m not going to lie. I absolutely love Vincent Adobe frills performance in that scene because the way he’s subtly turns from cool, calm and collected to, you know, angrily stating his point.
00:13:31:02 – 00:13:43:23
Unknown
I just thought was so intimidating, and it’s really, really fun to watch, and you kind of immediately get this impression that even if you’ve never seen this guy before, why he brings this big presence in is someone to be worried about.
00:13:44:20 – 00:14:03:24
Unknown
Yeah, a couple of quick, quick notes about the scene. So the scene with him talking to Maya and Kasi, where I want to note the sound, I thought the sound was really well-done in the scene. What they do with the sound design on Vincent D’Onofrio is every time he shifts his weight, you hear those big footsteps and
00:14:03:24 – 00:14:20:00
Unknown
it really adds to this like intimidating presence here. I remember even while they were talking when he was walking back and forth, you just hear this big reverb like footsteps that happen. And the other thing I thought was a really nice touch is obviously his performance is so has so much gravitas, and he commands so much attention
00:14:20:00 – 00:14:36:29
Unknown
on screen and he’s so intimidating as a presence there. But he looks at Cassidy says the city needs to know that it belongs to me or the people need to be reminded that the city belongs to me. And in that last line, in those that last line that he says, they add this kind of sub and reverb
00:14:36:29 – 00:14:49:06
Unknown
to his voice that makes him almost sound like a demon in that moment. If you guys, if you guys listen to that scene again, he talks about a normal in in that last scene, they add this kind of like this, this tone to his voice that makes it so much more menacing.
00:14:49:06 – 00:15:03:06
Unknown
And I remember thinking, That’s really cool. I think it was great that Kingpin immediately knew that Maya was lying. I think it really added made him more formidable as an antagonist that the second she left, he looked at Cassie and he’s like, She’s already turned on us.
00:15:03:06 – 00:15:12:09
Unknown
Like, I can already see it in her eyes. I know it. She’s not fooling anybody. And I loved that. They kind of got that out of the way. It wasn’t like, Oh, he thinks she’s on the same page with him.
00:15:12:09 – 00:15:28:11
Unknown
He knew immediately that she was. She was out and he told that to Cosby. So I thought that was a great touch there. It goes from that scene to the big trick arrow montage. So Clinton and Kate are on the bus and he says, we’re going to need a lot of trick arrows, and she looks over like
00:15:28:11 – 00:15:46:14
Unknown
a kid in a candy store and says, trick arrows. And they go to, I guess they’re in girl’s apartment and they’re they’re literally creating weapons of mass destruction in girls apartment. And I thought this was really cool. Seeing all the different triggers that they’re creating, I kind of wanted to get a feel for what your favorites are
00:15:46:14 – 00:15:56:06
Unknown
, which I’ll ask you when we get to that point is the the different ones that they made, which are which were really awesome. And the fact that she was using a label maker to make sure she labeled all of them to know what they are.
00:15:56:06 – 00:16:09:27
Unknown
Because you guys remember from episode three, which was our other favorite episode. She was kind of pulling arrows out of the quivered. He was like, Not that one, not that one, not that one. So I like that she she brought like a really cheap label maker and just adds them to all the arrows, which, if I’m nit
00:16:09:27 – 00:16:25:25
Unknown
picking, would throw it off a little bit if you’re shooting something like that. But but I guess they’re good enough that they can kind of overcome that they. Grievance there. So it goes to the trigger, a montage in that after what we get a really emotional scene where.
00:16:26:21 – 00:16:37:03
Unknown
Client talks to Kate and essentially says you’ve made your decision, you want to be a hero. I want to make sure you’re ready for this. It’s going to be tough. It’s going to be lonely, you’re going to you’re going to lose a lot.
00:16:37:04 – 00:16:48:02
Unknown
It’s going to hurt. And he says, Are you ready for this? And then she, in this great callback, talks about her experience in episode one as a kid and seeing him jump from these buildings, even though he couldn’t fly or shoot beams out of his hands.
00:16:48:17 – 00:17:05:00
Unknown
And that that that was what being a hero was, was doing it in the face of not having these superpowers and stuff and really highlighting what makes Hawkeye so special in The Avengers. What did you think of the interaction between them at the end where she she kind of highlights his status as a hero?
00:17:05:02 – 00:17:19:03
Unknown
Just a nice little bonding scene. Very cool for Kate to kind of see as far as how that comes to be. I did think it was a little funny. I love how, like, out of nowhere they’re just able to gather the resources that they need for these insane, crazy, yeah, technically advanced arrows.
00:17:19:09 – 00:17:30:11
Unknown
But hey, that’s that’s all right. I’ll suspend my display for a little bit. I love how all they need is a little bit little tool that is like a mini blowtorch or something like that or like a little thing.
00:17:30:11 – 00:17:48:15
Unknown
It just does a welding tool. Yeah, that’s all they need. And then they just give them anything else in the room and they’ll make whatever they need for you. That was still a cool scene nonetheless. That conversation, I also thought, was a very nice like continuing the established relationship between them, just as the whole show has done
00:17:48:15 – 00:18:01:03
Unknown
a really good job, in my opinion, with maybe a couple of misses. But with this, it’s just a really strong point. I thought it was extremely nice to see you, like, fully extend that. Hey, look, I am. I’m not even going to try to talk you out of this anymore.
00:18:01:04 – 00:18:14:13
Unknown
And I also don’t feel the need to anymore. I actually think that this is something where you’re still young, you’re still maybe unprepared to a certain extent, but I’m willing to admit that you have enough there to probably do this.
00:18:14:13 – 00:18:29:09
Unknown
But I got to give you this like final warning, right? This final disclosure, if you will. And that was definitely cool to see him throughout it. It gave me vibes to the back when he wasn’t the same, but a similar type of thing with Wanda in Age of Ultron, where you just like, look, you step out that
00:18:29:09 – 00:18:44:29
Unknown
door. You’re an Avenger now. You know, any kind of like gives her that final little disclosure that she needs where it’s like, this is your make or break decision here. And I thought that her response was perfect, you know, because she’s kind of identifying, look, it’s not just simply like, Yep, I made up my mind.
00:18:44:29 – 00:18:59:06
Unknown
It’s let me let me clarify why and not just why, I guess, until I want to be a hero, but also why you specifically have inspired me more than I think that you think you have. And I believe it was nice for her to say that to him, that was a really cool thing and fulfilling for her
00:18:59:11 – 00:19:20:29
Unknown
. And I think he also really needed to hear that we go to the Bishop Family Christmas party, right? Or the Bishop Security Christmas party. So Clint and Clint and Kate are there, and we see a smattering of all of our favorite laughing characters that seem to have infiltrated and are working as the service service workers that are
00:19:21:00 – 00:19:36:11
Unknown
working around handing around orders and stuff. Jack to Cain, as he promised, has gotten out of jail. He was bailed out. He’s he’s he’s got a sword with him. We get introduced to a little young Armand again that we haven’t seen since episode one and we said, I think he’s going to come back in this in this
00:19:36:11 – 00:19:50:05
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series and he does year in the season finale. I love the interaction between him and Jack, where Jack is kind of flaming a child and saying Everyone remembers how you peed your pants in the Hamptons, and they’re kind of quipping back and forth.
00:19:50:05 – 00:20:06:00
Unknown
And you could see they had this very childish relationship, which I thought was great. Yalina makes it appearance. She comes in the parties. So now we have everyone that’s really worth anything at this party. Aside from uncle across the street from a sniper’s perch is crazy looking for.
00:20:06:00 – 00:20:19:14
Unknown
I think he’s looking to take out Eleanor after Uncle found out that she was just going to leave. one little point to I wanted to make was, I think, the decision. So when they introduced the lawyers in, I think, episode two or three or something along those lines.
00:20:19:14 – 00:20:34:26
Unknown
But when they introduced them initially, she said that they were mostly first responders like cops, firefighters and all that stuff. I think the reason they made them that is for this scene because I don’t think I think if these were just lavas, it would have been very strange that they were kind of this wall composed in this
00:20:34:26 – 00:20:47:26
Unknown
kind of situation and helping in this way. So I have a feeling that like maybe they maybe this was this was an edit that was made in the script after this was written was. They probably wrote it and said, like, Wait, how are these lawyers like all like helping them in this situation?
00:20:47:26 – 00:21:01:14
Unknown
But they’re like, Why don’t we just make it so that these lawyers are mostly made of first responders? You know what I mean? I can only hope that they brought that logic to the table. Like, I really do hope that they thought about that of like, wait a second, this seems way too unrealistic.
00:21:01:15 – 00:21:13:20
Unknown
And like, that’s right, please, a line in somewhere about this. We should make these firefighters and first responders and stuff that are kind of used to these chaotic situations, which makes a lot more sense. So we go. Kate finds her mother.
00:21:13:20 – 00:21:27:03
Unknown
She takes her into a kitchen area and has a standoff with her. When she reveals that she knows everything about Kingpin, she’s betrayed by everything that happened. Eleanor’s mother tries to justify it by saying. Listen, your father wasn’t dead.
00:21:27:12 – 00:21:37:25
Unknown
You don’t really know what happened after that. The pressure that I was under. But she’s really not going to talk it out of it because she killed our mind. She is working for Kingpin. She’s laundering money for Sloane.
00:21:37:26 – 00:21:50:10
Unknown
She’s doing all this like crazy stuff cos starts opening, opening fire on the party and everything goes to all hell breaks loose. So Clint tells all the lawyers, Get everyone out of here, so they start kind of escorting people out.
00:21:50:23 – 00:22:04:22
Unknown
He tells the guy that does the sound effects. I love the bad guys. He has like a recurring role now in the show, which is great. Clint goes down to the 12th floor and then Yelena and Kate meet each other in front of the elevator.
00:22:04:29 – 00:22:16:25
Unknown
They go into the elevator here, and Kate is extremely annoying. Elena, I love the interaction with them in the elevator where Kate is just like Yelena knows that Kate’s doing whatever she can to try to stop her from from hurting.
00:22:17:14 – 00:22:31:06
Unknown
But they have a very sisterly relationship where it’s just kind of like, you know, she reaches for the buttons and Yelena slapping her away. And it’s a very much like a Big Brother, a big sister, little sister relationship, which I thought was great and really funny in that moment.
00:22:31:11 – 00:22:46:09
Unknown
Clint shoots the arrow up towards Karzai and the gas and smokes Karzai out of the room, and we get this really awesome action sequence where Yolen is fighting Cate. And there’s this side scrolling kind of thing, which I think is reminiscent of Daredevil.
00:22:46:09 – 00:22:58:06
Unknown
I think Daredevil has those like one shot slide away fight scenes. So I thought that was cool, that this is kind of kingpin’s reveal episode and they kind of paid a visual homage to that. That kind of fights in there, which was taken from Old Boy, this old movie, too.
00:22:58:07 – 00:23:09:02
Unknown
But I love that the people are just kind of working in these office spaces while the fighting is going on in front of them. But what were your thoughts on the scene with the elevator scene between the two, Kate telling her mother about that?
00:23:09:02 – 00:23:20:00
Unknown
She knows kind of everything that’s going on in that kind of reveal and the betrayal that that she feels after that. And then this this action scene, the fight scene between Yelena and Kate as they as they go through those office spaces.
00:23:20:23 – 00:23:31:14
Unknown
Yeah, I thought the actual reveal parts with Kate to her mother was nice, that she was like standing her ground like she didn’t try to all of a sudden come up with some excuse as to why her mom was doing this or anything like that.
00:23:31:14 – 00:23:47:10
Unknown
She was just like, Look, you, I got to call it like it is. You’re a villain here, basically. I mean, kind of with what you’re doing or what you’re OK with doing all thing that was good. And then, yeah, one kind of stuff starts to get hectic with Cassie, like opening fire and everything leading into the beginning
00:23:47:10 – 00:24:02:23
Unknown
action sequences. Man, I love Jeremy Renner’s composure. Like when he gets in that little room, it just kind of quickly scans the building, immediately identifies where he is, and just, that’s it. That’s all he needed to do is see him and then was able to quickly fire away and just the accuracy.
00:24:03:06 – 00:24:21:23
Unknown
It just really kind of speaks to how insanely talented that character is within this universe and his skill set as to why he is the level that he’s at. And in leading and as far as like the fight scene, I actually think with the whole side girl thing is they agree it’s, you know, inspired by like scenes
00:24:21:23 – 00:24:38:09
Unknown
of Daredevil. But I also feel like they’ve even done it in the show a couple of times. Like, I think we saw that with Ronan when we saw him killing Maya’s dad. And then also in episode three, I feel like when Hawkeye and Maya are kind of fighting their way out of the office before he does a
00:24:38:09 – 00:24:56:03
Unknown
cool Avengers flip off of the railing there. So they think definitely liked all the aspects of this. There’s a lot going on, like you said, but at no point does it feel like kind of too scattered. Yeah, you can see it that all these different things are happening within some more of within the vicinity of each other
00:24:56:04 – 00:25:05:18
Unknown
, and none of them kind of feel like, why is this here or why are we focusing on this? Or what does this have to do with anything? They all made sense to the bigger picture of what’s taken place.
00:25:06:02 – 00:25:16:12
Unknown
Yeah, I think that’s a really big achievement in this one. Like we were talking about, so much stuff is happening in this very condensed amount of time. A lot of different players are involved. You got Jack, you’ve got the elevator scene with Yelena and her.
00:25:16:12 – 00:25:31:00
Unknown
You’ve got Clint down on the 12th floor where the tracksuit mafia is kind of closing in on him. Eleanor is missing and people are all looking for Eleanor to try to find her. All this stuff’s occurring and this show, that’s such a good job of setting the geography of the situation where, you know, OK, this is where
00:25:31:00 – 00:25:41:19
Unknown
we are in space. They’re trying to get this. This character set up all the motivations as to what they’re doing in the action sequences. So like you said, nothing felt overwhelming. It didn’t feel scattered. Everything felt focused. I knew it.
00:25:41:19 – 00:25:52:11
Unknown
Every instance I was like, OK, well, Yelena and Kate are on a higher floor now, so Clint’s down below, which means Yolande is going to have to jump and go down to the floor of a Clint’s on. It all made sense.
00:25:52:22 – 00:26:07:12
Unknown
And I think that’s really hard to do and really hard to direct to where everything feels coherent, and I thought they did a really good job. I do really love the line where when Kate and Yelena are in the elevator and then I can’t remember what it is that Yelena says.
00:26:07:17 – 00:26:20:13
Unknown
But then Kate’s like, Stop making me like you so much. And it was just it was perfect because you could tell they’re really doing a good job of embodying that in the performance. You can really see clearly that Kate is conflicted of.
00:26:20:13 – 00:26:33:26
Unknown
Like, I don’t get it. I’m supposed to hate you. You’re trying to kill my I. Partner here, and yet you’re awesome, right, you’re yeah, money, you’re charismatic, you’re bad ass, you’re a good fighter. What is going on here?
00:26:33:26 – 00:26:44:01
Unknown
And it’s kind of perfect because I could actually see where a lot of people would. I feel like that’s like a good meta comment. Like, I think it’s like almost like a way of that’s like what the audience may feel like.
00:26:44:07 – 00:27:00:23
Unknown
There could be easily some people out there. I mean, I would never really had conflicting emotions from from the beginning, but I could see where some people would be like torn about, you know, Florence Pugh taking over and being the new Black Widow being like, No, no, I saw that Natasha is the Black Widow.
00:27:00:27 – 00:27:12:10
Unknown
So I think this was like a great way to kind of maybe say what some of the audience members are saying. Like, dammit, like why don’t? Why do I like you so much? Yeah, it kind of mirrored the audience, the audience’s feelings in that moment.
00:27:12:11 – 00:27:28:13
Unknown
And also, I love their relationship in the way it’s like a sisterly kind of fun relationship because it it presents Yelena with kind of this not replacement, but hopefully someone they can maybe fill that relationship void that Natasha left with her, that kind of sisterly bond that they had together.
00:27:28:21 – 00:27:48:16
Unknown
And obviously, that’s missing from her and for her to both in this episode, potentially get closure for Natasha’s death with her interaction with Clint, but also find someone that can hopefully be be a rock for her or be somebody that that can kind of fill that, that sisterly joking kind of role that her Natasha had in Black
00:27:48:16 – 00:28:02:04
Unknown
Widow in Kate. I think that’s a really good, efficient use for the character. I love the scene where the track suit guy is getting beat up by her, and he says, Thank you for your advice. I spoke with my girlfriend and we went to see Maroon five instead.
00:28:02:04 – 00:28:17:12
Unknown
I thought that was a really funny. That was that’s where I got to laugh out loud. Moment for me was hearing him kind of do that in the middle of the fight, which I thought was great. And then Tracksuit gets the better of her for a second is about the shooter, and Jack de Cain comes in for
00:28:17:12 – 00:28:31:04
Unknown
the save. I want to take a moment to pat myself on the back. I think for the first of the very, very first time we saw Jack, I said, I think this guy is a huge red herring. I think he’s oblivious to anything and he’s just kind of a he’s kind of a douchey rich guy, but he’s
00:28:31:04 – 00:28:45:14
Unknown
he’s he’s well-intentioned, and that seems to be the case here, the whole episode. He was kind of coming in clutch and helping. And I think, you know, to kind of close the book on Jack for for the series.
00:28:45:20 – 00:28:54:08
Unknown
I think he was. I think he was a standout. He was a kind of a highlight for me, one of my favorite characters in there. I thought the performance that the actor did in that in that instance was so well done.
00:28:54:21 – 00:29:08:14
Unknown
He was so likable and funny and charismatic on screen, and he was he presented a really fun red herring to where everything kind of led to him being the bad guy. But it turns out that he’s just being used by the mother in this instance there.
00:29:08:14 – 00:29:24:27
Unknown
But I thought that was really great, that he kind of came in for the save. And then we get a fight scene between Clint and Kasi up on the 12th floor with all the track suits Clint’s using. Again, I think you’ve made a really great point with Clint’s kind of immediate tactical prowess being on display where he’s
00:29:24:27 – 00:29:37:12
Unknown
able to scan the building, see where it is and shoot it. It’s it’s something iconic for the character Hawkeye. So it’s really great that that’s upheld in the in the series as well as it is where he definitely feels like he’s always two steps ahead of everyone tactically.
00:29:37:23 – 00:29:52:18
Unknown
And I think that that is a really highlight to his character. But what did you think of the scene with Kate going down, Jack coming in for the save, the interactions between her and the tracksuit mafia and then the fight scene on the 12th floor where he’s fighting Kazee and blows up the floor and everything?
00:29:53:11 – 00:30:06:13
Unknown
Yeah. So when the tracksuit mafia came in, I was and I saw that guy I was definitely anticipating. I was like, He’s got to say something, right? There’s basically like the two tracks and mafia guys, like the one that’s like overly serious and then this goofy one.
00:30:06:19 – 00:30:18:11
Unknown
And yeah, he’s he’s got to say something. There’s no way it’s going to leave that hanging. And sure enough, that also was one of the laugh out loud moments for me, and I loved Jack’s entrance to save the day there.
00:30:18:15 – 00:30:33:10
Unknown
I thought his whole, his whole presence and inclusion in this episode was very, very nice to see, and I couldn’t agree with you more in the sense of I really like his character. I love just how legitimately innocent he is about everything.
00:30:33:12 – 00:30:47:10
Unknown
You know, it just kind of like as this like happy go lucky attitude, kind of. Even no matter what the situation is like, he rightfully should be freaking out right now. Yeah, he’s like, No, here’s a chance for me to, you know, bring my, my skills to the table of my swordsmanship.
00:30:47:15 – 00:31:04:00
Unknown
Yeah. So there’s a fight between Karzai and Clint up on the 12th floor. Clint pretty easily gets the better of him, and then he destroys the floor, jumps out of the window and falls in the huge tree. I want to say, is that the Rockefeller Center tree?
00:31:05:01 – 00:31:15:11
Unknown
You know, so I think so, right? So he falls into the he falls into the Rockefeller Center tree where we see an owl, which is going to kind of come up later in the episode, but he sees an owl kind of standing in the tree.
00:31:15:11 – 00:31:30:13
Unknown
There he he calls Kate on comms and says, kind of, where’s our backup? And we see that it’s all the large in their attire. They’ve gotten all their laughing gear on and they’re coming out to take business. I like that he kind of undercut the tension of that scene by saying, We’re in trouble, you know, we’re all
00:31:30:13 – 00:31:42:20
Unknown
going to die. He said. Like, like right when they came out, like, we’re all going to die. Like, This is it? To be honest, it does kind of fit the theme that Kate brought up earlier in the episode, which is you don’t have to be you want to fly its shoelaces out of your hands to be a
00:31:42:20 – 00:31:59:00
Unknown
hero. And it shows these large brothers who are, you know, their entire hobby is about not being like, it’s it’s all kind of make believe or it’s not about being actually adept at these things, but even them are coming through and being heroic in this situation.
00:31:59:00 – 00:32:12:01
Unknown
So it kind of fits that theme of people that they don’t have powers stepping up and making a difference in these in these situations. What were your thoughts of Clint jumping in the tree? What did you think when the owl was initially revealed?
00:32:12:01 – 00:32:28:11
Unknown
Like, what does an owl hear? What the hell is this? And then the lawyers making their big reveal and Maya making the decision to kind of venture farther and go on that that trip. Yeah. So like with that, at least just bleeding right into him, getting on the tree, yet a fight with him and cause he was
00:32:28:11 – 00:32:38:13
Unknown
definitely like quick, good, effective, it made sense. It shouldn’t have gone on longer than it did. So I’m glad they caught it there because I don’t really see how it could rightfully hold his own for that long against Clinton.
00:32:39:04 – 00:32:53:22
Unknown
Leading him going straight into the tree was fitting. Dunno, sounds weird to say, but there’s something about it that fit with the theme of everything that was going on. The owl threw me for a loop at first, and, you know, I definitely nothing clicked right away, so I did kind of find it to be like, maybe it
00:32:53:22 – 00:33:08:10
Unknown
was supposed to be like a little bit of a ha ha moment, you know, just how bizarre of the setting that he was in. I am so happy with how the lava’s were brought into play in total, like I know everything about their inclusion in this episode.
00:33:08:16 – 00:33:21:27
Unknown
And I swear, man was another laugh out loud moment for me when they first came out in their costumes have fun because like, I felt like they almost looked a little bit like they could have been some more members of the Eternals, too.
00:33:22:08 – 00:33:32:19
Unknown
Yeah, it’s was the appearance that made me laugh. Although they were they were cool costumes, though, so it’s not to laugh at the actual costume as I was, but then the other part was one. They were like, Are we ready?
00:33:32:24 – 00:33:46:24
Unknown
Yeah. And they went right back to what they were doing before and it’s like, OK, everybody get out of here. Yeah, yeah. That was absolutely priceless. I love that so much. And it made sense, though, you know it’s what else are they going to do?
00:33:47:02 – 00:34:03:18
Unknown
But it was kind of way to gather more attention and kind of be more commanding about it is funny how now with the MCU has set itself to the precedent where if you’re in a superhero costume and you’re in a situation like that, you’re probably going to be able to go ahead and get people to pay more
00:34:03:18 – 00:34:12:28
Unknown
attention to you and listen to you more than anything else. Absolutely, man. Yeah, I thought that was I thought that was amazing. Kate sees Clint. She says she has an idea on how to get him down. He says, Don’t do it by any means.
00:34:12:28 – 00:34:27:17
Unknown
Whatever you’re thinking, don’t do it. And then she shoots and and cuts the support straps for the tree, and we get this really awesome iconic shot. It reminded me it’s not to the extent, obviously, but it reminded me of the truck flip scene in The Dark Knight.
00:34:27:18 – 00:34:39:21
Unknown
It just felt very like big and grandiose in that moment. And it was. She shoots the thing down and you see the entire Rockefeller tree fall onto this ice rink that’s nearby. I thought that was a really big kind of movie quality scene.
00:34:39:21 – 00:34:55:23
Unknown
I remember being like, Oh my God, that’s amazing. So he falls onto the ice, and when he gets onto the ice, the kind of tracksuit people starts surrounding them. And this is where we get a shot that we saw in the trailer, which is kind of Clint and Kate really, really going to town on all these guys
00:34:55:23 – 00:35:06:18
Unknown
and going back to back with their with their bows. I thought this scene was I thought this scene was really good. She comes in for the save. You see, he’s kind of surrounded, and there’s no way he could have gotten out of that by himself.
00:35:06:28 – 00:35:19:21
Unknown
And she comes sliding in like a bad ass and just starts shooting and taking out everybody using his. Well, I don’t think they use the trick arrows yet. She’s using a regular arrows. And he reveals his suit. So she sees a suit.
00:35:19:21 – 00:35:31:06
Unknown
She goes, Oh my God, it looks so good and it does. He looks awesome in a suit. Both of them do. They look great on on the ice there, and he starts to say, it’s time, and he says, Let’s give them hell.
00:35:31:06 – 00:35:48:22
Unknown
I think quote, which I thought was great. And that’s when they they start revealing the trick arrows. And there’s a really awesome fight scene, a really long, satisfying fight scene where they’re taking out all of these, these tracksuits, tracksuit mafia guys using the different trick arrows in different circumstances on this ice, this people are sliding around.
00:35:48:22 – 00:36:00:26
Unknown
I thought it was a really engaging setting for a fight scene and everything as well. What do you think of that scene with the big, huge Rockefeller tree falling on the ice and kind of the cinematic quality of that?
00:36:00:26 – 00:36:16:05
Unknown
And then also that fight scene where she comes in for the save and they start taking everybody out. Yeah, the true it’s cinematic is definitely a good word. I feel like when you take that into consideration and back when I was saying in episode three, like how his, you know, his flip off of the railing the whole
00:36:16:05 – 00:36:32:11
Unknown
way it was shot and everything also like cinematic quality. I think little things like those when you add them all together are great examples to why this show more or less feels like any long dated movie rather than an actual show in a good way, right?
00:36:32:12 – 00:36:50:17
Unknown
Obviously, it has definitive endings for their episodes, but even then, the episodes tend to be, as we’ve noticed throughout, pick up right where the last of my. So it’s just it’s cool because there’s nothing sacrificed with the actual visual effect of everything or the wow factor was stuff just because it’s a show or a TV show.
00:36:51:04 – 00:37:08:01
Unknown
You know, it still does feel like a movie and that that was really cool to watch that kind of tip on over save Hawkeye real quick, but then be put into a really drastically bad situation where we’re surrounded by, I’m sorry, like in an absurd number of these tracks, mafia guys like, I knew there was a good
00:37:08:01 – 00:37:21:12
Unknown
amount of them, don’t get me wrong, but didn’t seem like there is an abundance of them all of a sudden. And it didn’t didn’t matter that it was a perfect way to kind of have this be a way for them to have one last good final battle show.
00:37:21:14 – 00:37:38:09
Unknown
Case, both of them kind of like using natural the trick arrows, but their physical capabilities as well on top of that. So I was really down for it. And then as far as the arrows they were using, throw out there like I like even just the one that he uses to kind of set the border for themselves
00:37:38:15 – 00:37:52:26
Unknown
, like that one where he shoots him. So it’s like it has that electrical kind of gate that is put up. And I just thought it was a cool beginning to it all. And then I like a lot. The one where they shot it and it just like there’s two different ones they use that are very similar.
00:37:53:12 – 00:38:07:19
Unknown
They shoot something and then it shoots a bunch of little tiny things out afterwards. So whether it was just like little like like spikes that were being shot and people are like the tranquilizers or something. And then there was one other one that I wanted to point out, not because I thought it was super cool, but I
00:38:07:19 – 00:38:19:15
Unknown
thought it was almost like surprising. They’ve made such a good effort of making things purple, the purple goo, the purple wood, all this type of stuff, right? But then there’s one where he reshoots was orange smoke, and I thought that was kind of interesting.
00:38:19:16 – 00:38:33:09
Unknown
I didn’t know if that was supposed to be a fun call back to something right or a nice little nod to something else. I’m not too sure, but yeah, it’s found that intriguing. I like the ones you were talking about, like the ones where they shoot it, and then it shoots around them and it takes out like
00:38:33:09 – 00:38:48:07
Unknown
four or five guys around them. I thought that was really cool. The sound design in the way they kind of shot that shot, that arrow in the camera at least was reminiscent of Yondu Whistle thing, you know, the way it kind of shoots around stuff really fast.
00:38:48:19 – 00:38:58:25
Unknown
I think my favorite was the magnetic one, just because I thought that was a really smart way to disarm everybody so that they it made sense because had they not done that, I would’ve been like, Why don’t they just shoot them all in an ice rink?
00:38:58:26 – 00:39:12:10
Unknown
You know, be like they have guns. They could just shoot them and take them out right now. What was did you had the favorite one? The one is the Pym one, right? So the truck, the truck is coming, it’s going to kind of try to run them over.
00:39:12:24 – 00:39:24:14
Unknown
And Kate notices it grabs the Pym Arrow. And as the trust of road truck barrels over the side of the ice rink coming down on them, she turns and hits it with the arrow miniaturized. Is it and it?
00:39:25:07 – 00:39:39:03
Unknown
It kind of spins out on the on the ice. And then we get the payoff from the owl scene earlier, where the owl that he saw in the tree it’s home is now been disrupted as it’s fallen on the ice and it goes and it picks up the trust of road truck and moves off.
00:39:39:03 – 00:39:53:21
Unknown
And he just goes, All right, I guess, I guess that happened. What did you think of that scene? It’s ripe for the MCU because he takes the time to mention when she’s like, What do we do now? Do they like, stay like that?
00:39:53:21 – 00:40:06:04
Unknown
And I love how he’s just like, I never really like, think about that part. Well, that is correct, and it made me think it’s like, did you? Does that mean they have the same mentality about the big arrow?
00:40:06:04 – 00:40:15:14
Unknown
Like, you just made the arrow huge and then it stays indented in the bridges. It’s like, All right, let’s dip out of here. Like, I have no intentions or plans of making it small again. I don’t know how to do that.
00:40:15:14 – 00:40:27:09
Unknown
So let’s briefly. Yeah, I wonder, yeah, that does bring up the question. I wonder what happened with the big arrow on the bridge? You know, David, I wonder if that seems like it would have been a huge, a huge issue.
00:40:27:29 – 00:40:43:08
Unknown
Did you see that? And I know this seems ridiculous. But since it seems like they always kind of want to do stuff like this in a funny way to to plant seeds of stuff, to kind of be a bigger part later, do you think that they’ll be back in any capacity, those ones in the book?
00:40:43:14 – 00:40:59:11
Unknown
I do, because if they don’t, it’s a really dark ending because like the tracksuits have been really likable guys for the most part so far that they’re just kind of like dumb henchmen. But they seem pretty likable and and they’re kind of they kind of humanize them as being part of the comedy in this series so far
00:40:59:22 – 00:41:17:18
Unknown
. And if they if they just fly off in an owl like eats them, that seems like a really like dark end for for like subtracts, you guys. So I think somehow it’s going to come back into play at some point or it’s going to be maybe an Easter egg in something where you know, the next, the next
00:41:17:18 – 00:41:27:03
Unknown
Ant-Man movie, he has to fix that or something, or he has to help them out of it or something. You know what I mean? The next like Ant-Man appearance? Maybe. Did you have any thoughts about like the orange smoke in that arrow?
00:41:27:08 – 00:41:41:00
Unknown
Oh, I didn’t really notice the orange smoke, but the only thing I can think of is the only reason I think that they would maybe go with a different color is if it does a different thing. So if the purple smoke was just to kind of make people cough and get away as like a deterrent or as
00:41:41:00 – 00:41:54:29
Unknown
like a visual occlusion to where they couldn’t see something, and then the orange smoke was like, knock out gas like you you’d like go to sleep when you like, inhale it. I think maybe if they did do a different color, it was to maybe make a visual a distinction about what the purpose of the arrow might have
00:41:54:29 – 00:42:10:25
Unknown
been. That’s totally fair. Right? As they leave their ice rink, Quint tells Kate that she needs to go find her mother and Kate. Kate agrees. She leaves off to find her mother and right. As Clint’s about to escape, Yelena makes her entrance, knocks him back on the ice, and we’re going to get this epic showdown with Elena
00:42:10:25 – 00:42:30:01
Unknown
and Clint on the ice there. At the same time, that’s occurring Cassie, who is escaped from the building that exploded. Somehow that entire floor that exploded. Somehow he’s he’s. Down on the street level now, and he was about to take Clint out when Maya slides in with her motorcycle, takes out two henchmen and we’re getting an epic
00:42:30:01 – 00:42:47:22
Unknown
fight between Karzai and Maya here at the same time. So we get the fight scene with Elena and Clint. Jelena seems to have the upper hand the battle, but it seems like Clint doesn’t want to fight her, so it doesn’t seem like maybe she’s out maneuvering him or she’s she’s kind of out fighting him.
00:42:47:22 – 00:43:03:04
Unknown
But it seems like he’s very much reserved in holding back because it’s Natasha sister. They’re having their scene and she’s she’s essentially saying, you’re lying and he’s trying to tell her that Natasha sacrificed herself to save the world and it wasn’t his choice, and that he tried to fight her to get to not do it, and that
00:43:03:04 – 00:43:23:14
Unknown
she overpowered him and she was better than him. And then at the same time, we get an emotional showdown with Maya and Karzai. Where where Karzai is kind of bubbling up that he’s resented that she’s run the track suits when I was supposed to be him and that kingpin is not going to not going to stop and
00:43:23:27 – 00:43:34:22
Unknown
he has to he has to do with Kingpin says he’s going to die and essentially they’re having this emotional fight where she’s saying, Run away with me, we can. We can both leave this all behind. And and he’s kind of declining that.
00:43:34:29 – 00:43:49:13
Unknown
At the same time, Eleanor is trying to leave in a car kingpin rips the door off the car, which I thought was cool and then pulls Eleanor out. And then, as he does, Kate comes up for the save and starts to kind of fight Kingpin in this instance.
00:43:49:23 – 00:44:04:10
Unknown
So it kind of introduces all three of those fights there. What did you think of those, those different fights between the characters with Karzai, Maya, Clint and Yelena and then Kate and Kingpin, and how they kind of set up their their resentment and each kind of almost the emotional stakes of each one of those fights?
00:44:04:16 – 00:44:20:07
Unknown
Maya thought enough of Karzai to not just like, run away and like, maybe leave on good terms with them, but say, I want you to come with me. I think that was almost like a little unexpected because up until then, it seemed like maybe she would like confide in them in a little bit, but only because, like
00:44:20:12 – 00:44:28:24
Unknown
, yeah, you’re the only one I can. Now, all of a sudden, the point where it’s like, Oh, like, what is there? Like a thing there? You know, there is maybe a romantic interest that you want him to come.
00:44:29:07 – 00:44:44:17
Unknown
Possibly. I didn’t. I didn’t really read it as romantic, but I can totally see where that where that would come from. But I I think it says a lot that she came back and she tried to have him run away with her because at this point, she must know that he was maybe integral in her father’s death
00:44:44:17 – 00:44:57:20
Unknown
. But I think, you know, it harkens back to what Clint said to her, where he said, I’m just a weapon and I was I was aimed by someone that was maybe had more ill intentions. And I think maybe she heard that and she thought she thought.
00:44:57:20 – 00:45:11:28
Unknown
Even though Karzai was maybe instrumental in my father dying, she knows that there was a greater force that was kind of pressuring him to do that, essentially, and that she was still willing to give him the give him the out of like, let’s run away, let’s get let’s let’s run away from this and get away from from
00:45:11:28 – 00:45:28:04
Unknown
Kingpin. I think what really stood out to me were the callbacks, and I thought, I think this episode as a whole did a really good job of callbacks to really early in the series things. So I love the line that Karzai says to her, which is, he says, I can’t walk in both worlds.
00:45:28:24 – 00:45:43:17
Unknown
That was a really great scene, and it harkened back to what her father said about her being a deaf child and having to live in these two worlds and him making that kind of mirroring that assumption and saying, I can’t live in this criminal world and then live with you in this kind of normal life and stuff
00:45:43:17 – 00:45:56:00
Unknown
. He can’t he can’t live in both like she can. And I also think when she initially makes the killing blow to Karzai, him kind of looking at her and putting his hand on the same position on her cheek was this thing that her father did.
00:45:56:07 – 00:46:12:03
Unknown
And I thought that was a great visual callback to her kind of re-experiencing the same thing, but her this time perpetrating it as opposed to finding it, you know, like she did with her father. So I thought those were really subtle but really effective callbacks to the first, the first scene between them.
00:46:12:12 – 00:46:25:28
Unknown
Clinton Ilana’s was that was the most emotional part of the entire show for me, not just the episode, but the show as a whole. The actual when they start talking and the whole, you know, at the back and forth of, no, I don’t believe you.
00:46:26:02 – 00:46:40:13
Unknown
But when they actually started to get down to the nitty gritty, if you will, as far as what really took place and when she finally started to hear about the acting on both ends was was so really well-done and believable, especially from Florence.
00:46:40:13 – 00:46:58:09
Unknown
I got to say, actually, there is a couple small things she didn’t even say anything. She Morsell, like, made small noises in response to something, something she said, and it was such a powerful and moving moment. So that was like my biggest takeaway was not even like the fight itself as much as the conversation with them, you
00:46:58:09 – 00:47:15:01
Unknown
know, coming to a head in that being really nice to see. And an important moment for both of them. Give me time to realize that your dilemma doesn’t care about killing Clint, necessarily. She just really wanted to find some resolution and some peace of mind of what the heck happened in the torture and Clinton.
00:47:15:06 – 00:47:28:08
Unknown
It’s one of those where she’s already having a hard enough time to accept it. So to see him also then, like, help out. Someone else go through that and accept it, and he even says he’s like, you know, we have to like, we have to accept it and move on or something to that degree.
00:47:28:16 – 00:47:45:07
Unknown
And I think when he says that he’s also saying it for himself out of like, I’m realizing that I really have to put this in its place. Always remember her. But but definitely make a move forward here. But then if I were to jump into the kingpin and take flight that one I was very happy with.
00:47:45:07 – 00:48:04:29
Unknown
I love that they didn’t hold back with how much of a brute force that kingpin is. Everything from ripping the door off the car to the fact that he basically froze like these super powered punches, you know, to keep in is like it’s not just like he like smacks her down like Hill, hit her and she flies
00:48:04:29 – 00:48:20:21
Unknown
across the room. Totally cool with that. I know he’s not a super villain, but that still is very much what I would expect from Kingpin as a character. And also, I’m just happy because even in the season finale, right where you would maybe expect to see, Oh, this is where Kate’s going to get her moment, where she
00:48:20:21 – 00:48:32:15
Unknown
like, catches them off guard and doesn’t know she barely makes it out of there. If it wasn’t for that one last little resort that she had to get her trick arrows to activate because I love how he just snapped them in half.
00:48:33:00 – 00:48:46:01
Unknown
If it wasn’t for that, it’s very easy to say that she would have meant her end at that point. Yeah, I want to echo some of the points you made about Elena and Jeremy Renner’s fight scene. Both of them are acting powerhouses in that scene.
00:48:46:09 – 00:49:02:02
Unknown
Florence Pugh kind of coming to the realization through, like I said in previous episodes, the whistle. The thing that he does, the whistle, which is like, how would anyone know this? Unless they unless Natasha was super close with them and knew about our past and everything.
00:49:02:02 – 00:49:15:00
Unknown
And he kind of tells her about that and her realization that Natasha did love him in that she wouldn’t have, you know, he didn’t kill her and he wasn’t. He wasn’t responsible for her death. It was something that she did on her own to save the world and everything.
00:49:15:00 – 00:49:33:06
Unknown
But seeing that realization kind of pain across her faith and see the pain that she’s going through through Florence Pugh’s performance was was amazing. Jeremy Renner was great in that scene as well. Like you said, he’s gone through so much self-loathing over Natasha, and she’s almost like a manifestation of that self-loathing where she’s she’s fighting him and
00:49:33:06 – 00:49:46:06
Unknown
beating him up in ways that he’s beat himself up for the past. You know, however, many months since this occurred, or how many years and and he’s kind of he’s kind of having to fight that part of himself that felt like he was guilty over Natasha’s death.
00:49:46:07 – 00:50:04:16
Unknown
And Elena, I love how much other characters are set up in Hawkeye, but it’s such a Hawkeye show. At the end of the day, it’s really all about his internal struggle. It’s very much tied to him personally and kind of the inner turmoil that he goes through that he’s been going through after Endgame and everything kind of
00:50:04:16 – 00:50:15:21
Unknown
is built out of that. So I love this very much felt like his show. It didn’t feel like he was a sideshow character or something in the series that was setting up something for somebody else. And then the fight scene with Kingpin.
00:50:15:22 – 00:50:25:15
Unknown
I totally agree with you having him be this really imposing force between him, ripping the door off and when he punches people, then go flying and him taking the arrow to the chest and just ripping it off and getting angry.
00:50:25:15 – 00:50:41:28
Unknown
He was so intimidating. She actually comes away with the win by using that coin trick that Clinton taught her in the previous episode. I thought that was a really good callback in a really good, satisfying resolution for her to kind of overcome that challenge with that little kind of bonding trick that he taught her.
00:50:42:05 – 00:50:59:04
Unknown
At the end, I thought that was a good character moment, and yeah, I thought it was great. She takes Kingpin out, she goes to confront her mother, and she saves her mother from Kingpin’s wrath, obviously. But she does not save her from the police, which I think is a really heroic move on being faced with your mother
00:50:59:04 – 00:51:11:21
Unknown
there and just saying like, No, you know, you did all these terrible things, you were going to prison and you’re going to go to jail and sends her mother to jail. Despite her mother’s pleas. To the contrary, everyone’s arcs feel like they were fully fleshed out in resolve.
00:51:11:21 – 00:51:21:23
Unknown
They didn’t feel like there were any strings left hanging for this one going into season two. Actually, there was one thing that I’ll get into when I get into my predictions element. There was one thing that that I wanted to get your opinion on.
00:51:21:23 – 00:51:37:16
Unknown
But after Eleanor’s mother gets arrested, we go to an alley scene, which is where Maya confronts Kingpin. He’s obviously been badly hurt and hurt from his battle with Kate, and when those all those arrows went off and he’s walking through this alley, Maya sees him.
00:51:37:16 – 00:51:52:08
Unknown
He initially tries to maybe, maybe try to get in her good graces or try to appeal to her or as his daughter and as his surrogate daughter there. And it doesn’t seem like she takes the bait. She holds up a gun to him.
00:51:52:08 – 00:52:03:20
Unknown
They just they pan up on the street and then we see the gunshot go off and then just to finish it out here we get a great scene between Jack and the cop, where the cop asks him if he’s ever loved before.
00:52:03:20 – 00:52:19:08
Unknown
She thinks he’d be really good at it, which he would. He be a great laugh? I think I would agree with her there. We get a scene with Clinton, Kate, where he really talks about how she’s made him a better person before quipping that it’s part of the suit, but about how, you know, rarely a person comes
00:52:19:08 – 00:52:32:00
Unknown
along that makes you a better. Version of yourself. And there was a kind of a touching scene between them in the back of an ambulance. Again, very die hard ask. At the end of die hard, you know, sitting on the back of an ambulance and going over that felt like a John McClane move, which I thought was
00:52:32:00 – 00:52:44:02
Unknown
great. But what do you think about those scenes with the fights resolving her turning her mother into the cops? Maya’s apparent killing of kingpin in the alley and then the scene with Clinton Kate at the back of the ambulance?
00:52:44:26 – 00:52:56:25
Unknown
Yeah, I think, yeah, the turning in of Eleanor was a little bit. I was even kind of surprised. I’m not saying I didn’t see it coming. I just it was like I didn’t know what fully she would do.
00:52:56:26 – 00:53:05:29
Unknown
I knew she was starting to really come into her own as a hero, but I thought maybe she would look at this as like, All right now, mom, you’ve learned your lesson. Cut it out or type of stuff.
00:53:05:29 – 00:53:16:00
Unknown
But obviously, I think that would’ve been pretty ridiculous, that they went that route. And it did seem to make a whole lot of sense that she was like, Hey, look, this is really difficult, but I got I got a send in your aid.
00:53:16:01 – 00:53:31:02
Unknown
You did some bad stuff. Also, I thought it was a really good way of kind of like giving her another character development point without having to have somebody die. I think that that is something that, yes, it’s an effective route, but I think it sometimes also like too heavily relied upon like, well, the only way that we
00:53:31:02 – 00:53:43:11
Unknown
can make them grow as a person is someone’s got to die. That’s close to them. But then as far as the alleyway scene, I don’t know. I’m a big advocate of, look, if they didn’t show it, it didn’t happen, you know what I mean?
00:53:43:11 – 00:53:57:14
Unknown
So I have basically no reason to believe that he actually died. I think that no one kingpins too big of a character bringing back Vincent D’Onofrio was too big of a deal. And I think they have big intentions moving forward with him to do a lot of stuff.
00:53:58:06 – 00:54:12:02
Unknown
I think he’s going to be a huge component in the Echo Show. And I honestly feel like the Echo Show could easily pick up with that scene showing what actually went down. Like, as far as whether she I don’t know if they’re going to show her like she shot and it was like right next to him.
00:54:12:16 – 00:54:22:18
Unknown
You know what I mean? Like a warning like, leave me alone and let me go, or if she actually did shot him. But because he is just a hunk and follow badass that he was able to take it somehow and like, get away.
00:54:23:08 – 00:54:36:26
Unknown
But yeah, I don’t think that he actually met his end there. And then the very, very last part, as far as with them in the ambulance, I got to say there was something that stood out to me very much, which we’ve seen a lot of developing.
00:54:37:09 – 00:54:50:16
Unknown
But we’ve also mentioned how we thought it was going to like dump. Both come to the middle like Hawkeye would be a little bit more laid back by the end of this, and Kate would be a little bit more composed and I think they did a good job of that in the scene itself proves it because even
00:54:50:16 – 00:55:06:26
Unknown
though it’s just a quick little joke, the fact that Hawkeye makes that joke about, you know, you find someone every now and again, and it’s big, it’s the suits. It’s so perfect. I just think that shows that over this, he’s he’s gotten a chance to grow himself as a person and has even picked up on some of
00:55:06:26 – 00:55:26:10
Unknown
the best attributes from Kate, you know, for him to kind of be the best version of himself, if you will. He’s definitely shown that he is, maybe, I think, forgiving himself for what happened with Natasha between the fight with Elena and and kind of realizing that he’s inspired people like Kate and kind of giving himself maybe his
00:55:26:10 – 00:55:36:07
Unknown
his flowers for all the things he’s done with the Avengers, potentially. So the character development has been such a highlight in the show so far, and it really felt like it stuck the landing in this one here. And to your point about the kingpin.
00:55:37:13 – 00:55:53:11
Unknown
So I really hope you’re right, and there are a couple of ways where they could kind of right around this. Again, they don’t show the act happen. They all but show it where she’s pointing. She’s pointing right at his chest and zooms up, and then a gunshot happens and you’re like, Oh, well, I guess, I guess that’s
00:55:53:11 – 00:56:04:19
Unknown
how that ends, you know? Yeah, I don’t buy it either. I think there’s plenty of outs you can make. I think with they establish one cage, shot him in the chest with the arrow, and he just pulls it off and throws it away that maybe one gunshots not going to take down this guy.
00:56:04:27 – 00:56:14:21
Unknown
I think that made the fight scene that we just saw with Kate, where he got hit by a car and then gets up and he’s fine. It’s like maybe one gunshot doesn’t take him down and she did shoot him, but maybe he survived.
00:56:14:21 – 00:56:25:03
Unknown
That’s a possibility. Again, he could be like she shoots next to him. It’s an intimidation tactic in her, her saying, like, you raised me, but you know, and I still I still kind of love you as like a surrogate father.
00:56:25:12 – 00:56:37:27
Unknown
But you know, you have to you have to leave or leave me alone or I’m out of this or whatever, you know, whatever they want to do in that scene. So I hope you’re right. I hope that they didn’t just bring him back for the one episode and then just go like, All right, well, let’s let’s finish
00:56:37:27 – 00:56:53:01
Unknown
him off. You is here to make this finale really fun. And that was it. Hopefully, that’s not the case. But so he goes back home. It’s it’s a snowy day wherever he’s located, and it seems like he’s brought a couple of strays that he alludes to with Kate and lucky, so he’s finally made it home for Christmas
00:56:53:01 – 00:57:03:05
Unknown
. This was the stakes of the show, so we finally get our big payoff for Clint has made it home in time for Christmas to see his family, and he’s brought along some more family that he’s made along the way.
00:57:03:09 – 00:57:18:27
Unknown
Very touching Christmas ending here. And then he talks to Laura at the dinner table after everyone meets and he says, You’re never going to guess what? I found any shows for this watch. And she grabs the watch and goes, Thank you, and then he flips it over and I need your.
00:57:18:27 – 00:57:28:27
Unknown
I’m gonna need your. Marvel expertize here, because I have no idea what this what this is at all, but he flips it over and I think it was in agents of shield logo the shield. It was a shield logo, OK?
00:57:29:08 – 00:57:38:01
Unknown
And he gives it to her and he says, you need to keep track of your things better. So this is obviously Laura’s watch. I don’t know the implications of that, but maybe we’ll get into it here in predictions.
00:57:38:15 – 00:57:53:21
Unknown
And then he grabs Cate and says to take go out back with the Ronin suit, he’s going to finally burn Ronan and get rid of that period in his life in a very symbolic gesture of kind of burning that past and get rid of getting rid of that day before Kate starts to pitch him ideas about her
00:57:53:26 – 00:58:09:11
Unknown
, her new moniker, which which which are all horrible, horrible names that she’s she’s pitching there. And then it ends. The series ends there. What were your thoughts on the scene when he goes back with his family? The real, the reveal about the watch and then kind of burning the Ronin suit with Kate at the end?
00:58:10:09 – 00:58:21:08
Unknown
I love the fact that he brought Kate and lucky along with them. It seems very fitting. I mean, lucky almost seemed like a given, right? You know, they’ve they’ve had him alone the entire time. I was hoping that lucky was going to be doing something more in the episode.
00:58:21:13 – 00:58:36:01
Unknown
I was kind of like, Oh, that’s it. He just OK. I mean, he seemed like he was going to be playing an integral role. Like, I wouldn’t have been surprised if like someone was about to die and lucky came up and like, jumped in, pushed a tracksuit guy out of the way, you know, like with applause or
00:58:36:01 – 00:58:49:11
Unknown
something. I doubt it. But regardless was happy that it came along as officially part of the family. That was really good. And with Kate, it made a lot of sense to. I mean, where else does she realistically have to go at this point in time?
00:58:49:11 – 00:59:00:11
Unknown
Not to say she couldn’t do anything on her own. But it’s more so. I think this really fits. She clearly wants to keep going the hero route. Why would it make sense for her to part ways with Hawkeye at this point and just do what?
00:59:00:25 – 00:59:10:27
Unknown
So I think this is going to be good because it gives her a chance to keep training with them, develop the relationship further and perfectly leads into what I believe is going to be a second season that to some extent, the watch.
00:59:11:14 – 00:59:22:15
Unknown
It was definitely a little taken aback at first because I I don’t want to make it sound like it’s not something that’s interesting because I want to see where they lead it into, but I was kind of expecting it to be something else than what it was.
00:59:22:22 – 00:59:38:21
Unknown
So the only thing that I could take away from this is that there’s a character that’s named Mockingbird from the comics, and Mockingbird is an agent of shield that very much works with Hawkeye. Like that? Aim. So basically, I guess they’re hinting at the fact that his wife is mockingbird, which I don’t Mirante like.
00:59:38:21 – 00:59:48:24
Unknown
That’s cool. It would have been even more cool if they kind of clarify that fully here. I have a feeling that’s going to be another thing that right season two is going to start to build up further and further.
00:59:49:09 – 01:00:00:08
Unknown
But I also kind of feel like it’s a little weird to start to introduce. A must be intention is to pass off the Mockingbird, Monaco’s moniker as well. You know, like because I highly doubt that they’re gonna get that actress to start to.
01:00:01:16 – 01:00:14:28
Unknown
Be a hero. You know what I mean for the sake of reason, I wouldn’t be against it. I love her as an actress. I would just be surprised. It doesn’t seem like that’s what the intention is. But like I said that that is like the main big takeaway from that is that it’s, I believe, alluding to the
01:00:14:28 – 01:00:26:18
Unknown
fact that she could be this character named Mockingbird from the comics who works very much with with our guy. As far as the burning of the Ronan ensued, I only have really one thought of that other than the fact of like, cool he’s getting rid of.
01:00:26:18 – 01:00:38:23
Unknown
It’s nice about being what a waste of a good grill. But, you know, you know, damn well that ruined that grill. You’re not going be able to cook anything on that anymore or burn whatever the hell that suits made up on that thing.
01:00:39:08 – 01:00:50:07
Unknown
Right? Going to crap. I doubt that’s their main priority, but I could not, but think about that when they were burning it. So some of the things that I had, I had questions about. first of all, they made a very big point of Kate.
01:00:50:08 – 01:01:11:04
Unknown
Remember when Kate’s apartment burned, like, burned down? You know what? Didn’t burn? The Ronin suit that was left at her apartment, so. So his way of destroying the suit is to set it on fire when they’ve already established that fire does nothing to the suit, which I thought was a weird way, which was a weird way for
01:01:11:04 – 01:01:19:24
Unknown
them to like in the in the scene with the grill. I mean, I don’t know. I felt like it could have. He could have like, I don’t know, shredded it or I don’t know why not shoot the acid arrow at it and let him back.
01:01:20:12 – 01:01:32:00
Unknown
Yeah, he could have thrown it up on one of the targets and had her shoot it with one of the trick arrows. And then it would have been over that way, you know? But that was the episode. We did get a really awesome I don’t know if you stayed for the mid-credits for there, but we did get
01:01:32:00 – 01:01:43:21
Unknown
a really awesome full rendition of Rogers The Musical. I can do this all day. Their opening number for Rogers, the musical there, which I thought was really great. It was awesome. Kind of festive way to end the series.
01:01:43:21 – 01:01:58:19
Unknown
I’m sure it was a really crowd pleasing thing there, and it was kind of a happy holidays from Marvel, which I thought was a fitting send off for the show at the end there. So we’re going to hop in our kind of predictions or at least kind of, ah, kind of thoughts about maybe where this could go
01:01:58:19 – 01:02:08:04
Unknown
, potentially. You definitely think there could be a season two? I had some questions that I wanted to go through here. What happens like, how do you think? Because I think they’re going to be woven back in at some point.
01:02:08:04 – 01:02:22:12
Unknown
But how do you think that they’re going to weave back into tracksuits, shrunken guys that are in the trust of British rock that have been taken away by an owl? Like, like, how do you think that that resolves or do you not think that they’re going to have like a little Easter egg with them later on?
01:02:23:07 – 01:02:40:24
Unknown
I do. I do feel like they’ll come back, even if it’s nothing more than an acknowledgment. Like if if it just shows them next season, like they happen to be driving past somewhere and then it pans out to like a tree or just some somewhere where you see them miniaturize of those trying shine like make up, make
01:02:40:24 – 01:02:51:04
Unknown
it by, like still trying to survive. My point being, I don’t really know if it would be included for anything else other than just like a nice little comedic touch, like a ha ha look at this moment. Know, can you believe they’re still around?
01:02:51:05 – 01:03:01:20
Unknown
I don’t. I don’t really know, but I do think it’d be funny to have them pop back up just to some extent later on. I think they should have a show or a movie that’s like a horror movie about them having to survive the owl nest.
01:03:02:01 – 01:03:18:09
Unknown
And it’s really dark. This really dark horror movie where they’re just like, they miss their families and like, they’re stuck in this nest, and it’s super depressing and dark. And I think that would be like a really hilarious Marvel horror version of Honey.
01:03:18:09 – 01:03:35:05
Unknown
I shrunk the kids exactly like a horrific, horrific, depressing version of Honey. I shrunk the kids. Have you great. My other question is, Is Clint retired? Do you think this was his swan song? Do you think this is going to be like with a Chris Evans in the Robert Downey Jr’s where this, you know, he didn’t obviously
01:03:35:05 – 01:03:48:07
Unknown
didn’t end with his demise, but he’s very this might be very much the last like big thing we get with Clint in the in the MCU. I do think that it’s not so much full blown retirement, which I am.
01:03:48:09 – 01:04:01:27
Unknown
I liked, you know, I think this is something where we should very much expect to see him still be involved. I do think that based on the way they were ending things right, they’re very much trying to hint at the fact that Hayley or Kate Wright is very much the next Hawkeye.
01:04:01:28 – 01:04:17:12
Unknown
But yeah, point being the reason I’m saying all this because I don’t think that we’re seeing the last of Clint. I think that maybe he might play just much more of a mentor role in future installments. But like I said, I definitely don’t look at this as like, Well, he’s hung up to the bow, and that’s it
01:04:17:18 – 01:04:32:11
Unknown
. He literally just got the new cast of, you know what I mean? So I would be utterly shocked if they introduce that having it only really be worn for half of this last episode and that’s been in all the promos, art and everything.
01:04:32:18 – 01:04:42:03
Unknown
You know what they’ll be releasing with the advertisements? I don’t see them just completely ditching that. I agree. I agree to an extent. I think the way what I would predict here is, I do think they do with season two.
01:04:42:03 – 01:05:01:00
Unknown
And when you brought that stuff up about Laura potentially being mockingbird, they’ve revealed something about Laura that we really didn’t get in previous MCU properties in this series. And what they revealed was that she was very much working like a like an asset for Clint, where he was using her to get information about people or maybe track
01:05:01:00 – 01:05:09:19
Unknown
people or figure out certain situations there. And I think I made the comment that she was like the guy behind the desk that they talk about in Spider-Man, where he says, I want to be your guy behind the desk.
01:05:09:19 – 01:05:23:05
Unknown
You know, Ned says that Spider-Man. And she was very much like Hawkeye’s guy behind the desk. At least they introduced that in the series. So I think what that might have been at the end with him introducing that she was an agent of SHIELD and that she may be this Mockingbird character that we’re talking about is she
01:05:23:05 – 01:05:41:02
Unknown
may be that for Kate. So he and he and Laura may take over duties as being like their remote kind of the way she gets her information. She doesn’t have the contacts, obviously, that Clint would have have them work, and she worked in shield with Nick Fury and everybody, or access to the tech and stuff that he
01:05:41:02 – 01:05:56:13
Unknown
would in the materials that he would. So if he’s if he’s a buffer between him, her and that, that would make sense where he’s maybe the Alfred to her Batman and he and Laura kind of operate as her way of getting information about things, but I think he’s going to.
01:05:56:16 – 01:06:07:03
Unknown
Have a much more reserved role from here on out, I think this this show was kind of a goodbye to him as a focal point character and and he’s going to have much of more of a supporting role.
01:06:07:04 – 01:06:19:25
Unknown
I picture may be him yet taking a step back, like I said, more of a mentor role to open himself up, to do other things. But, you know, between just how they presented him in here. Nothing really about he never talked about wanting to be done.
01:06:20:10 – 01:06:29:24
Unknown
He never made a hint at the fact that he was trying to like this was his last outing. He was just going to be with his family from now on. He was accepting and cool with, like I said, the costume that he got.
01:06:30:21 – 01:06:47:16
Unknown
So again, I do see it to the point where I don’t know how much I do think Kate’s taken the more front seat here, but I still think he’s going to definitely be playing a part. But I do agree, though, with your your comments about like Mockingbird being much more of like I would consider her to be
01:06:47:16 – 01:07:00:17
Unknown
. I think what you’re looking for is like for for Batman terminology like Oracle. Basically Batgirl, when she gets back or gets paralyzed on a storyline, she becomes Oracle, who is basically the girl at the computer desk who’s providing all that info and everything.
01:07:00:18 – 01:07:09:07
Unknown
I would not be shocked at all if that’s the role that she played in moving forward. But I do see for both of them, I think it’s actually going to be a little bit before Clint completely like stepped out of the picture entirely.
01:07:10:00 – 01:07:25:15
Unknown
Yeah, I can see both. I can see the Oracle being a joint thing between both of them. So he because, you know, they obviously established in the series that Clint is not tech savvy at all. So Laura could be that person that gets information and is able to research things on the computer that’s able to kind of
01:07:25:15 – 01:07:37:01
Unknown
do the more technical aspects of that. Whereas Clint is more like his Rolodex of contacts that he can get in touch with for certain things and and to use this kind of cloud as an Avenger. They could both kind of serve that role for her and be that.
01:07:37:01 – 01:07:50:07
Unknown
And like you said, Oracle, is this Batgirl that was paralyzed and now she’s become Oracle. And we’ve seen Clint now with his hearing loss, something like a physical attribute, you know, starting to deteriorate that could potentially push him into a role like that.
01:07:50:12 – 01:08:09:17
Unknown
And then the one I wanted to ask you about was the the bag. So like when they’re doing the remember her bag, they like, so he’s he’s getting a suit in episode five. I think episode four, I believe and she she gives him his trick arrows in this bag, and they make a big point for her to
01:08:09:17 – 01:08:20:20
Unknown
say This bag is from my wife and I need this bag back. You guys can’t give me any other bag. I need this bag bag it. It was a very important thing in that scene, and it just kind of got dropped like they didn’t bring it up or anything in this at all.
01:08:20:26 – 01:08:33:06
Unknown
So did you? Did you? Did I miss something or did you notice anything? Because it seemed like it was brought up like this important subplot? And then I remember, even when we talked about it in the episode, I said, I want to see how they pay this off because it seemed like a weird thing for them to
01:08:33:06 – 01:08:43:23
Unknown
bring up in the moment. But having seen the whole series, I have no idea why they even brought that up in that episode at all. Yeah, no. I’m believe me 100% there with you to the point where, like I said, I made a note about that too.
01:08:44:04 – 01:08:58:13
Unknown
I I have basically in my bullet point of notes, my final one is where’s the bag with like three question marks? What was the purpose? They didn’t really present it as a Hey, you take it or leave it.
01:08:58:14 – 01:09:13:04
Unknown
You might be able to look into this and see something more. But this might also be looked at as like, you’re probably looking to argue this. This was like you took a moment to make it distinctly known in a very kind of like defining transitional point between scenes.
01:09:13:15 – 01:09:25:25
Unknown
This wasn’t just like in the midst of conversations thrown in. It’s like what she’s saying. This is like, I’m about to finally go to this next plot point here. I need this very convenient plot device to get to the next plot point.
01:09:26:07 – 01:09:36:18
Unknown
OK, well, here’s a really interesting line to leave you with, and it’s just like, All right, I guess we’ll leave on that note and to not do anything about it. I would have even been fine if it was a joke made later on.
01:09:36:22 – 01:09:49:25
Unknown
You mean, like some sort of like a cheesy joke about whatever? I don’t care, but to have nothing was just like, why even include that in the first place, though? That was so ridiculous that I have no idea what was going on with that.
01:09:49:25 – 01:09:57:29
Unknown
I don’t know if maybe the pay off was left on the cutting room floor, but they were just like, we have to get this season finale to be under a certain amount of time, potentially, and that just didn’t make the cut.
01:09:58:08 – 01:10:08:23
Unknown
I’m not sure I’d be very interested to find out what it is regarding that, or if it’s something that’s going to be picked up in season two or something, which seems like a weird subplot to pick up, you know, for a season two arcs.
01:10:09:00 – 01:10:20:20
Unknown
She’s going to be the lead villain of the second season because you never got her back back. Right, right. She’s mad. She never got a bad back, and she’s she’s been radicalized for Hawkeye season two. Maybe that’s the case, but that that wraps it up.
01:10:20:21 – 01:10:33:20
Unknown
I had so much fun with this season. I want to thank everyone that has come along for the ride and watched each one of these episodes and partaking in these Christmas traditions with us. But mostly, I want to thank my co-host Jase for coming in week to week and talking about it.
01:10:33:20 – 01:10:46:03
Unknown
I really appreciate it. It’s been so much fun talking about it and and getting this, getting this hour each week to kind of dissect and let the episode kind of sink in. I feel like I’ve enjoyed it so much more having had the discussions with you, so I really want to thank you for coming on.
01:10:47:00 – 01:11:01:20
Unknown
I mean, well, I thank you so much. I appreciate the words there, and you basically echoed exactly what I feel. It’s something that really makes it nice to enjoy these shows even. Moore is not just watching them itself, that’s already a big part of it, of course, but then it’s the fact of being able to kind of
01:11:01:20 – 01:11:12:03
Unknown
like dissect ideas and theories and other stuff like this with other people who genuinely are into it too. So I very much appreciate. As I’ve mentioned before, you reach out to me to do this with you in the first place.
01:11:12:04 – 01:11:25:17
Unknown
I had a fantastic time talking about each episode because for anybody that’s been listening or watching this entire time, thank you so much for riding out the entire series with us and everything and then hope you’ve enjoyed it as much as we have maybe even more.
01:11:25:21 – 01:11:34:23
Unknown
And if this comes around to a season, two of them perhaps would be a perfect time to go ahead and kind of reconvene and talk about that as well. You guys are watching on the YouTube channel. Make sure to like and subscribe on the video.
01:11:35:12 – 01:11:42:28
Unknown
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01:11:42:29 – 01:11:54:25
Unknown
Let us know what you thought about this season, one of the Hawkeye, and let’s have that discussion down below. If you guys have any predictions on potentially a season two, if you guys think kingpin’s actually gone. Let us know all of that stuff in the comments down below.
01:11:55:13 – 01:12:08:17
Unknown
I’ve written two reviews recently. I did the power of the dog and I’m writing the tragedy of Macbeth, which should be up fairly soon on the site. The diss media, which is linked in the description below, and I’m working on some new content for the distraction channel, which is linked in the description below as well.
01:12:09:06 – 01:12:22:11
Unknown
Jace, I know you’re working on some. You have a slate of stuff coming up. So guys, make sure to hop down in the description and subscribe to the Br0 car channel. He’s going to have a lot of cool Marvel content for all your Marvel fans out there that are going to be coming up very shortly.
01:12:22:29 – 01:12:34:21
Unknown
But again, thank you guys so much. I’m going to go right after we record here and put my Hawkeye ornament up on my tree. But thank you guys so much. I hope you guys have a fantastic Christmas and holiday season.
01:12:35:07 – 01:12:45:17
Unknown
I hope Jase pops open some beers with his Mjolnir Mjolnir bottle opener, which is great. As always, guys discuss among yourselves and we will see you guys next season, hopefully.